PvP

[Atelier-Bagur]

I was on about an 8-10 loss streak last night. No, not necessarily, but it might help some, and could help with coordination in general. I'd rather have the option than not.

GMs are paid for a reason, I say let them do their job. If people start getting mass banned, because they don't know how to communicate with others, that's on them. I have zero sympathy.

The problem is dedicating resources and time on them trying to solve numerous disputes where one guy said this to the other guy or this team ganging up on this other guy and trying to figure out who's objectively and morally right or wrong in the situation because in this day and age crap like that can be taken out of context so easily. Especially on an MMO.

Of course some disputes are easier to handle when you have a clear view but imaging having to handle a lot of those messes on your plate. Its easier for the team to try to limit the potential issues from rising up and try to handle the few that get brought up. No amount of GM'ing isnt going to make people overally behave better. The reason why FFXIV is currently like this are because of those limitations set on us. Its obviously not perfect, but so is just letting everything loose.

That being said, Im very well aware that "life finds a way" anyway such as people spamming the premade messages because they're clearly being frustrated or trolling.

[DixieBellOCE]

my only wish for 'casual pvp' queue is the ability to just queue in with friends and have fun.

Ranked i perfectly understand why.

[Vahlnir]

From personal experience in the past PvP systems, you'd need to ban quite a lot of people, and they'd still keep coming. That wouldn't work, not on PvP. There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

PvP is kind of like a lot of things in life. You don't usually have to worry about yourself. It's other people you have to worry about. That is why it frustrates me I guess since I have a low tolerance for this sort of thing. But I'm trucking along as best I can. I can be a force of nature on a personal level, but any team rises and falls together.

[anw]

You don't usually have to worry about yourself. It's other people you have to worry about. That is why it frustrates me I guess since I have a low tolerance for this sort of thing. But I'm trucking along as best I can.

It's the inverse that led me to viewing PVP games in a more healthy manner and finding success. You speak on frustration and when I was younger I had that same view where I worried about others and their mistakes and I'd tilt at the drop of the hat.
Good luck with your games tho, finding a good balance is a hard grind. Hope you get some wins in soon.

[VelKallor]

From personal experience in the past PvP systems, you'd need to ban quite a lot of people, and they'd still keep coming. That wouldn't work, not on PvP. There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

PVPers by definition are, to quote a GM, "hyperaggressive foul mouthed prima donnas that expect to win all the time"

[technole]

With everything I've seen, it's probably best that we can't use regular chat.

Yeah, you can tell the people who were not here when PvP had regular chat in 2016. Toxicity was off-the-rails. But it's also so they have to moderate it as much too. It was easy to just report people non-stop.

You don't have time to be spending time real keyboard chatting in CC anyway, unless you're bad.

[Vahlnir]

Oh, I have. I can assure you. I just needed to vent, I guess. We all do that every now and then. I've been doing so much CC. Realistically, I should stop, but a bigger part of me says "NOPE! Not until you're done."

Yeah, you can tell the people who were not here when PvP had regular chat in 2016. Toxicity was off-the-rails. But it's also so they have to moderate it as much too. It was easy to just report people non-stop.

You don't have time to be spending time real keyboard chatting in CC anyway, unless you're bad.

Yep, exactly. Hopefully those who've been around a while can remember this. And yeah, CC doesn't allow for much down time. Honestly, those quick chat buttons are great for that.

[ThaCa]

I kinda hate how just zoning into CC match disables ALL chat channels. I would like to type to other chats while waiting for people to load in and the gates to open, since that's completely dead air time right now.

[anw]

There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

It's because there's the ability to blame others for your own failings and as an out in just about every situation. PVP team based games also scale with frustration & toxicity as you increase elements like classes, roles and a reliance on micro & macro play.
I'm fine with the current system for talking for the most part. It's not suited to CC in the slightest since calls for CC would be extremely similar to a game like Overwatch which devolved into saying monkeymonkeymonkeymonkeymonkeydvadvadvadvadvadvadvaluciolucioluciolulululululu at the highest tier of play but it's what we have and there's no voice chat so that's fine too.

On the note of text chat, frontlines spam with sound effects is pretty bad already and you'll see people spam the same macro 3-4 times in an instant.
Now you give me open chat in a game like CC and I can make a macro that has a short wait interval and it can say BLM <se.1> BLM <se.1> BLM <se.1> BLM <se.1> then I hope you're prepared to hear a sound effect 60 times a minute or more, because there's 3 other like minded macro spammers who fell into the top tier macro meta game and I just eyed a BLM a bit out of cover who has guard on cooldown and our DRG would like the DRK to LB the objective and oh what's that our DRK wants to collapse in on the NIN and oh you quickly rattled out "NIN has LB" somewhere in there and someone's salty in spawn trying to go off on a mistake someone made a minute between the spam? Good luck.
The prohibited activities list may even have a note on this spam/sound effect spam but nobody's currently punished for it in frontlines and it would be the best way to call in CC so I can see that hellscape a mile away. Miss me with that.

I kinda hate how just zoning into CC match disables ALL chat channels. I would like to type to other chats while waiting for people to load in and the gates to open, since that's completely dead air time right now.

Solid feedback.

[Saraide]

Removing chat didnt remove toxicity but I am still in favor of not letting people waste time by typing up a novel.