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    Let's keep this simple. We're talking about tanks, so you can take the term 'non-buffer' as implicit.

    Let's say that we have two tank players with identical dps(t) curves prior to raid buffs. We already agree that they both have the same rDPS regardless of team composition, and the proof of this is trivial from the formula itself. Let's say that I come along with Arcane Circle and I apply it with the same timing to each of these curves. I get the same personal benefit from each of these players being on my team, which is the quantity that I'm actually interested in as a buff provider. In fact, you can do this with any buff, be it single target or raidwide, and always get the same result. That's really what we're talking about with dps parity on tanks.

    Their aDPS could be anything, because that depends on the party's composition. And the aDPS benefit of having a BRD present doesn't even correlate with two minute burst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Let's say that we have two tank players with identical dps(t) curves prior to raid buffs. We already agree that they both have the same rDPS regardless of team composition, and the proof of this is trivial from the formula itself.
    Again, though, rDPS parity =/= same damage curves. You cannot simply look at rDPS parity and say two jobs would therefore perform identically under the same raid buffs.

    Let's say that I come along with Arcane Circle and I apply it with the same timing to each of these curves. I get the same personal benefit from each of these players being on my team, which is the quantity that I'm actually interested in as a buff provider.
    But you don't, because they don't have the same damage curves relevant to an average coverage of raid buffs; else they'd have the same ratio of aDPS to rDPS. Your hypothetical doesn't exist except between two of the same job. That was the whole point of these changes.

    I'm not sure why you're still trying to pass off DRK's massive aDPS lead as a non-advantage on the mere basis that it's rDPS isn't that high. To look only at rDPS is specifically to hide its group contribution behind the buffers -- to purposely leave out ~5% of its contribution (if one were to split credit evenly between buffer and exploiter).

    Their aDPS could be anything, because that depends on the party's composition.
    Tank 1's Composition: The average of ~100,000 parses, with no significant skew in composition based on job selection.
    Tank 2's Composition: The average of ~100,000 parses, with no significant skew in composition based on job selection.

    They are, for all intents and purposes, the same composition.
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