So does every hate new PLD now?

[Tiramu]

I still prefer Warrior to tank on, but no.

[nia_saeli]

I initially really hated it. The more I play it the more I realize that I don't hate it, I just wish there was a way that I could have both old and new PLD (such as specializations being lifted from WoW, that would be nifty).

The new PLD is honestly, pretty good and pretty flexible. It is abysmal below 64, and pretty meh before 90, but at 90 it's solid. We have a flexible burst so long as we use FoF/Req at the same time. Then we have 8 GCDs where we just need to fit Goring + Confetti combo + 3 filler GCDs in there.

If you want to optimize for the double DM HS for the burst, it's a spreadsheeted nightmare. But you don't lose much damage by just using what you have. (Yes, even just hardcasting 3 holy spirits if you need to).

In addition, the fact that all of our filler hits for about the same potency means that we have the flexibility to hardcast holy spirit for additional healing with minimal loss. That kind of thing just wasn't possible in the previous incarnation.

I'm not sure that I would have reworked PLD like this and it's still got room for further tweaks, but it's overall fine at level 90.

I still feel like SE didn't run the rework by any PLD mains in their office, if anyone in CBU3 even plays it, because there's still a lot of jank (like the counter-intuitive "optimal" filler GCDs needing to drop atonements and start setting up at least 2 GCDs before you start FoF)

On the otherhand, I really do miss the old PLD. It was a lot of fun to learn and get right.

So I guess I'm a no on hating it afterall. I want to have both options.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Aside from how out of place goring blade feels now, I actually don't dislike it. Shockingly. And frankly, I haven't seen a TON of people saying they hate it. Summoner's rework was way more poorly received than paladin. At the very least, it's still spreadsheety enough to feel like paladin but it fits with the current 2 minute meta. For the record, I abhor the 2 minute meta but we're stuck with it until a least 7.0.

[Espon]

After playing it for a while, I don't mind it. I just have to break the old muscle memory.

One of the main things I was hoping for was having less buttons... instead we gained one. I only have so many fingers, SE. I don't like having to click on abilities because it's too difficult to find a comfortable keybinding.

[Wyther]

I do. Just post yes or no below so we can get a good idea. I don't think I've ever seen a rework get this amount of bad feedback so quickly before. Even SMN had a lot of praise at the very beginning before people realized just how braindead it became.

Absolutely cannot stand it.

Ive removed it from my job hotbar, stepped down from main tanking our mount runs, and will NOT be playing this mess of GARBAGE ever again.

People have unsubscribed because of this, and if they wont undo this horrible decision next patch at the latest, I will too

this was absolutely not needed. PLD was in a very good place, and now they are back of the bus once again. Tell me of any other class that has to give up a rotation just to make things even remotely fit?

Its all over the place, and honestly playing a BLM is easier that this pile of ******

[ForteNightshade]

Absolutely cannot stand it.

Ive removed it from my job hotbar, stepped down from main tanking our mount runs, and will NOT be playing this mess of GARBAGE ever again.

People have unsubscribed because of this, and if they wont undo this horrible decision next patch at the latest, I will too

this was absolutely not needed. PLD was in a very good place, and now they are back of the bus once again. Tell me of any other class that has to give up a rotation just to make things even remotely fit?

Its all over the place, and honestly playing a BLM is easier that this pile of ******

This is just objectively false.

Paladin has been the worst tank in pretty much every scenario this whole expansion. It's overall DPS was roughly tied with Warrior for the lowest, it had no burst to speak of in a burst centric meta, it lacked CDs to the point of being an actual hindrance in both Abyssos and especially Dragonsong and its sustain sacrifices damage. Regardless of whether you like the rework, Paladin was essentially a dying job at the high level. It simply couldn't compete with the other tanks.

[Wyther]

Seeing as how you havent played ANY of the tanks, Nor even have a level 90 in anything.

Your statement is false.

A tanks job is NOT to outshine in DPS, but to hold the agro and take the punishment.

Maybe learn what the roles of each class are before you comment on something you have no clue and copy paste "what you hear"

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Seeing as how you havent played ANY of the tanks, Nor even have a level 90 in anything.

Your statement is false.

A tanks job is NOT to outshine in DPS, but to hold the agro and take the punishment.

Maybe learn what the roles of each class are before you comment on something you have no clue and copy paste "what you hear"

In actually difficult meaningful content where job balance is important with enrage timers to beat, you bet your ass tank damage is important, just as important as healer damage.

Aggro is a joke to hold toggle stance on, to get aggro, provoke and shirk facilitate maintaining or swapping aggro easy.

"take the punishment", Paladin was bottom of the barrel compared to the other tanks, and borderline griefing your healers in the early weeks of Savage prog/ reclears. Paladin absolutely required mitigation from other sources like co-tank or healers for damage reduction skills to get through certain busters, because its defensive were so bad with block not working on bleed, and in DSR Paladin was seriously hurting for mitigation especially in phase 6, you don't have to do the content to see where a job is underperforming in its jobkit. Plenty of resources and cooldown/ mitigation spreadsheets to look at that show it was lacking mitigation.

[Videra]

Seeing as how you havent played ANY of the tanks, Nor even have a level 90 in anything.

Your statement is false.

A tanks job is NOT to outshine in DPS, but to hold the agro and take the punishment.

Maybe learn what the roles of each class are before you comment on something you have no clue and copy paste "what you hear"

Imagine thinking the character someone has attached to their forum profile means anything. Lol. Lmao.

[Gserpent]

Imagine thinking the character someone has attached to their forum profile means anything. Lol. Lmao.

Imagine having the kind of attitude they have and telling others to learn to play... when they clearly have no idea what they're on about. OF are good entertainment, man.