So does every hate new PLD now?

[Mithron]

I do. Just post yes or no below so we can get a good idea. I don't think I've ever seen a rework get this amount of bad feedback so quickly before. Even SMN had a lot of praise at the very beginning before people realized just how braindead it became.

[Sapphidia]

Yes, but I don't feel it's necessarily worse than it was before. I just didn't like the previous Endwalker version either.

The new one feels clunky, too many buttons, none of the real jank fixed that has been there for a couple of expansions, feels like a disjointed version of Gunbreaker. I actually moved from PLD to WAR at the start of Endwalker as I didn't like how the job had matured since Heavensward, but I had hope that the remake would bring me back. Now I at least know I'll be swinging the axe for another expansion or so.

The rework for me was underwhelming and didn't really fix anything. It changed it from a long rigid rotation into one that uses the same buttons but has a fiddlier burst phase and a more freeform longer filler phase. I guess it's a rework but it still feels clunky to me. Compared to Warrior which imo feels like one of the smoothest and most well-streamlined job in the game in terms of how things work together.

[CKNovel]

I don't think I've ever seen a rework get this amount of bad feedback so quickly.

I can think of multiple one...

I think a lot of people are overreacting to this rework.
In my opinion, it's the best rework so far, trading the dot for Divine Might is good.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I do. Just post yes or no below so we can get a good idea. I don't think I've ever seen a rework get this amount of bad feedback so quickly before. Even SMN had a lot of praise at the very beginning before people realized just how braindead it became.

No, changes are fine so far, most people that like the changes are avoiding places like here because they know it's gonna be a miserable echo chamber with people bitching and moaning instead of putting the time in to learn the rotations first, and it'll probably impact their fun. Hell nothing but complaining as soon as patch notes dropped lmao folks seem to like to do nothing but complain, complain, complain.

Maybe play the game instead or go outside.

[Tiramu]

I still prefer Warrior to tank on, but no.

[Rithy255]

I can think of multiple one...

I think a lot of people are overreacting to this rework.
In my opinion, it's the best rework so far, trading the dot for Divine Might is good.

As a PLD main (I've been a big fan of SHB and 6.0-6.2 PLD so I believe ) I actually kinda agree with you, I think theirs a lot of changes that still need to be made to this current PLD though. Divine Might is generally such a good addition that gives me hope if PLD gets a few things fixed up on the Job that it might actually become something really great.

I know overall I was worried but I feel like they've done a good Job, I just hope some things like goring blade, Atonement breaking combos and fight or flight, some things need some polish for sure but I'm generally pretty happy that the jobs still enjoyable for me, outside of me loving the Job identity of PLD.

[nia_saeli]

I initially really hated it. The more I play it the more I realize that I don't hate it, I just wish there was a way that I could have both old and new PLD (such as specializations being lifted from WoW, that would be nifty).

The new PLD is honestly, pretty good and pretty flexible. It is abysmal below 64, and pretty meh before 90, but at 90 it's solid. We have a flexible burst so long as we use FoF/Req at the same time. Then we have 8 GCDs where we just need to fit Goring + Confetti combo + 3 filler GCDs in there.

If you want to optimize for the double DM HS for the burst, it's a spreadsheeted nightmare. But you don't lose much damage by just using what you have. (Yes, even just hardcasting 3 holy spirits if you need to).

In addition, the fact that all of our filler hits for about the same potency means that we have the flexibility to hardcast holy spirit for additional healing with minimal loss. That kind of thing just wasn't possible in the previous incarnation.

I'm not sure that I would have reworked PLD like this and it's still got room for further tweaks, but it's overall fine at level 90.

I still feel like SE didn't run the rework by any PLD mains in their office, if anyone in CBU3 even plays it, because there's still a lot of jank (like the counter-intuitive "optimal" filler GCDs needing to drop atonements and start setting up at least 2 GCDs before you start FoF)

On the otherhand, I really do miss the old PLD. It was a lot of fun to learn and get right.

So I guess I'm a no on hating it afterall. I want to have both options.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Aside from how out of place goring blade feels now, I actually don't dislike it. Shockingly. And frankly, I haven't seen a TON of people saying they hate it. Summoner's rework was way more poorly received than paladin. At the very least, it's still spreadsheety enough to feel like paladin but it fits with the current 2 minute meta. For the record, I abhor the 2 minute meta but we're stuck with it until a least 7.0.

[Espon]

After playing it for a while, I don't mind it. I just have to break the old muscle memory.

One of the main things I was hoping for was having less buttons... instead we gained one. I only have so many fingers, SE. I don't like having to click on abilities because it's too difficult to find a comfortable keybinding.

[Wyther]

I do. Just post yes or no below so we can get a good idea. I don't think I've ever seen a rework get this amount of bad feedback so quickly before. Even SMN had a lot of praise at the very beginning before people realized just how braindead it became.

Absolutely cannot stand it.

Ive removed it from my job hotbar, stepped down from main tanking our mount runs, and will NOT be playing this mess of GARBAGE ever again.

People have unsubscribed because of this, and if they wont undo this horrible decision next patch at the latest, I will too

this was absolutely not needed. PLD was in a very good place, and now they are back of the bus once again. Tell me of any other class that has to give up a rotation just to make things even remotely fit?

Its all over the place, and honestly playing a BLM is easier that this pile of ******