Best part of a new patch? Third party tools not working.

[Vahlnir]

Wait. My cats and dogs live together...

Oh no. It has begun.

[Midareyukki]

Wait. My cats and dogs live together...

Oh no. It has begun.

...wait, you mean I WASN'T supposed to sacrifice a thousand White Mage to Voidsent last week?

B-But Blood for the Blood God...

[Joven]

Wait. My cats and dogs live together...

Oh no. It has begun.

[Joven]

...wait, you mean I WASN'T supposed to sacrifice a thousand White Mage to Voidsent last week?

B-But Blood for the Blood God...

If the WHM in particular were all lala then you should be good.

[caffe_macchiato]

sure, keep pretending like that hasn't always been the case nor that it hasn't been the same for other MMOs.

Version 2.0 of XIVLauncher came out in 2019 with the Dalamud API. Cactpot came out in 2017. Not "always the case". Also, we're not "other MMOs". Did you forget the past nine years where it wasn't totally Gucci to run cheats in FFXIV?

[Packetdancer]

Cactpot came out in 2017.

Completely side pet-peeve here, but... "cactpot" is the Gold Saucer lottery game, while "cactbot" is the raid automation tool that is named in reference to the former.

[Midareyukki]

Version 2.0 of XIVLauncher came out in 2019 with the Dalamud API. Cactpot came out in 2017. Not "always the case". Also, we're not "other MMOs". Did you forget the past nine years where it wasn't totally Gucci to run cheats in FFXIV?

You also forget that not every piece of third party tool has the same evil as the ones you think.

Shaders are greenlit because you're not altering anything in the game.
Discuss it however you see fit, but parsers are a gray area where the only evil is something that IS reported.
Then you have plug-ins that are objectively a red area.

Also, I really don't care whether we are like other MMOs or not? One thing is that our ToS saying that and however it's enforced. Did you know that GW2's ToS also says "No third party tools", and the ones that are out there specifically say that they're technically not legal but nothing happens to you if you keep quiet? HMM, SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A CERTAIN LAUNCHER NOW DOESN'T IT?

So no, caffe. Unfortunately, we ARE like other MMOs. And it doesn't matter how we approach them or not, even if others were even more anal about this than FF14 is, someone somewhere would STILL make plugins for the game and circumvent it.

The point of what I said wasn't even "oh look, we're just like WoW, we NEED plugins". It's that other games have third party tools, FF14 isn't the only one where people stop functioning once plugins stop working. Every game out there is bound to have it, it's not a thing inherent to us. And it's definitely not something that comes up now.

You go as far back as 2017. I've been playing since 2016. I KNOW THAT xD The issue is that even in 2017, the people who did use plugins weren't reliant on them. THAT'S what I mean.

[Mika_Zahard]

Voice chat is just to strong of a tool.

Not gonna lie, you had me on the first half

[Mika_Zahard]

FFXIV is an add-on game now. It took us nine years to get where WoW is, but we finally did it. Many people in this thread are grateful and happy for our plugins. They use them for the same reason WoW players do: QoL and to add new features that take the company a while to do.

Being the “add-on free game” has always been a bragging point for us. “We don’t need add-ons!” we used to tell ourselves. But then we did. And so the gap between FFXIV and WoW has closed. One less argument we have in our favor.

If anything, the games have become outright reversed from where they were two years ago. WoW is easier for new players to grasp thanks to Dragonflight, and WoW players don’t need a smorgasbord of third-party programs running. All plugins are QoL only (graphics mods aren’t allowed), and they all run in-line. FFXIV uses several third-party programs including ACT, Cactpot, Dalamud, and xivlauncher. Their plugins are small and modular, while ours are these behemoths running on spaghetti code and require numerous executables running in the background. And we say this is less add-on intrusion than WoW.

And that’s not to mention the massive growth in popularity that graphics mods have seen in the past year. Even if you don’t use them, you likely know someone who does. And they’re not just client-side: with Mare, you can share your mods with others. Ever see someone with “Mare Lamentorium” in their adventure plates? Yep. And if you think it can’t possibly affect you, try getting into a screenshot contest or do roleplaying without it. The community has changed and it’s not going back. And you’re okay with it.

This is the ideal FFXIV character. You may not like it, but this is peak performance.

Good shitpost, did someone laugh at your mare that now you're lashing about it?

[kevin_satron]

"I really hope the upcoming Ultimate is easier than DSR mechanically. Especially with the state the game is in at the moment. Plugins such as automarkers and cactbot aren't fully functional at the moment so I really hope the difficulty this time around is toned down to compensate. I also hope they don't tie any story into Omega. It was unfair to the majority of the playerbase to tie such an interesting storyline behind such a challenging raid. It sometimes feels like the developers are purposefully gatekeeping us when we are the majority of the community. High-end raiders get enough things as it stands. Just my small take on things and I think many others would agree. "

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