Review of 6.3 Story Content

[VelKallor]

Can't take any of your feedback seriously unless I can see your linkedin profile with at least 5 years experience writing and design for mmos.
lol jk

Not asking you to. Feel free to ignore it all.

[Eorzean_username]

After seeing this thread, I went into 6.30 expecting it to be shockingly awful.

...It was... fine??

I'm not afraid to be a merciless critic of this game when I feel like it's justified, and Endwalker's 80-90 MSQ made me want to delete the neurons that recorded experiencing it (really? The past 12 years were building to... a sad space bird? Really? That's what everything was for?!?!).

...But, like... 6.30 seemed fine to me. There was as much content, information, and story progression as most other "patch MSQs". Quite honestly, most of the Heavensward patch MSQs were notoriously glacial and "water-treading". Stormblood wasted 2 entire patches on almost nothing but the tedious drama of one dysfunctional Yanxian family, neglecting Ala Mhigo and the wider Far East heavily in the process.

By way of comparison, 6.30 was filled with story and developments. And the writing seemed fine? Better than Endwalker 80-90, certainly (although that's not exactly a difficult hurdle to clear). In fact, the "ex-Scions" are beginning to feel significantly more tolerable and natural as characters, and develop something resembling actual personalities, now that they aren't mandated to always report to the same room all the time.

Zero is unremarkable, yes, and feels like a fan-fiction character conceived by a 14-year-old girl's Tumblr account, and is following a very paint-by-numbers / connect-the-dots character progression...

...but... uh... that is not exactly new in FFXIV. Having endured characters as empty and generic as ARR Minfilia, HW Unukalhai, SB's "Surprise! I'm actually Lyse! Let's go on a road trip to Japan!", Hien Rijin (whose purpose has always been to be a pretty and marketable himbo, and not much else), SB Alpha (whose only personality trait was, and still is, "lol it's cute"), ShB's Gaia (who was basically Zero 1.0, right down to the "lol I like food!" gimmick), and probably a host of other examples that I'm forgetting...

...I honestly don't feel like Zero is anything unusual for FFXIV's writing and storytelling. This game has always had an affinity for bland, safe, hyper-tropey, copy+paste anime characters, and Zero hardly seems like the worst of them.


The food complaints

The emphasis on food in cutscenes is probably because it's something incredibly mundane to "normal people" (ostensibly us, the characters and the audience) but incredibly exotic to Voidsent. Therefore, the fact it provides sustenance in a strange way to Zero, but is an everyday thing to people on the Source, acts as a sort of logical bridge by which Zero begins to acclimate and accept this different world, since food is one of the few "living" customs that initially has any reason to interest her. Through being drawn to that interest, she inadvertently begins to form wider connections.

Food is also just safe. It's a reliable bet that most living audience members will like food and eating. And that they will associate food with peaceable and positive times, such as family gatherings and holidays. Therefore, if the writers are aiming to cultivate a sense of positivity and warmth in a scene, they can hit a large number of viewers with their emotional AOE combo by including a dining scene.

Myths of the Realm

As for Myths of the Realm, it was... fine?? Yeah, it's not going to win a Hugo Award, but... er... that's Alliance Raids in general?

The entire Crystal Tower storyline was basically written with crayons. Almost nothing happened each chapter, and what did happen was on the same storytelling tier as an episode of Pokémon. ("We blew up some pillars, wow there was a maze with a guy in it!"; "Hi we're clones, by the way, there's an evil man in the tower. Go kill him okay? Oh no! Clones got sucked into the void-hole!"; "We killed a cloud and Nero got void-eczema. G'raha left to go set up the plot of our third expansion.")

The Shadows of Mhach storyline was, again, extremely-simplistic. "Hi we're pirates, but it's okay, we're good pirates. Also the bad pirates stole the thing. Oh no, the bad pirates got killed for stealing the thing. Now the bad pirates will help us do good things. Also, a talking cat will help us kill Satan."

Return to Ivalice was only convoluted because Matsuno decided to just copy+paste FFT and FFXII directly into FFXIV almost without modification, puffing up the lore and backstory via transplantation. The actual "original" parts of Return to Ivalice were pretty damn simplistic, and basically just a vehicle to summarize the plot of FFT so that people who owned a PS1 in 1997 could do the "DiCaprio points at screen" meme for 10 hours. Rather than cringey Sharlayan researchers, you had cringey HiLaRiOuS Moogles who want to be actors! :joy: :joy: :joy:

Sadly, Shadowbringers did not have an Alliance Raid series, only an extended marketing collaboration with Yoko Taro, due to the lack of good judgment that FFXIV's director suffers from (and/or possession of a ruthlessly-shrewd business sense). Therefore, there is no story or substance to even comment on for the ShB case.

Weighed against its direct competition, Myths of the Realm is... basically right on par. Yeah, it's lacking in "edginess" I guess, but I think the writers are handling the Twelve with mittens because the player characters choose these deities at creation. It's been a part of the players's identities for a long time, and so they can't go too wild with it, or it has the potential to make some really uncomfortable situations where players don't like seeing their Patron on their character screen.

From that perspective, Myths of the Realm is basically designed to be light-hearted wish-fulfillment for the audience, and it's serving that purpose fine. I'll happily take 100 more Myths of the Realm and Snoegheims, than have to deal with brazen, empty, masturbatory, completely-pointless trash like Dark Apocalypse and the HiLaRiOuS Dwarf Twins ever again.

I also feel like the hate on Snoegheim is exaggerated. She is really not any more obnoxious than probably 100s of other bit characters that have been introduced, and honestly, outside her "haha zany nerd" scenes, she contributes plenty of perfectly-fine serious commentary to the plot. She's just a "weird researcher". It's not even an unrealistic depiction of the kinds of bizarre personalities that end up in real-life graduate and PhD tracks.

[Hurlstone]

Its currently considered as the worst patch in FFXIV's history.

(I am not sure if this post is seriously suggesting that, but I will stick with what I wrote encase some do eventually make that claim!)

By who? Who gets to decide that? Did I miss the invite to the vote? Oh Moggle post... Anyway I feel you are gonna need a bit more then a Reddit thread and some tweets to make an objective ruling. Personally speaking I would nominate 4.1, but thats just me haha.

[VelKallor]

Just so I am clear

The phrase to break bread with someone is to share a meaningful connection over a meal, often bringing together two people or groups who previously had reason to be disconnected.

I am not surprised Aveyond could not see what was in front of him, but I am more than a little sad to see someone who says they can write better stories than the SE team be that BLIND. The parallels between postwar Berlin, postwar Japan and today are blindingly clear to anyone who looks for them.

6.3 sets the scene for a future with Garlemald, time and again we see the words 'reconstruction " and "restoration" used, time and again he has skipped over them in his righteous indignation..yet that one scene hammers home memories of our own real past, how old enemies now become friends and allies..forgetting that healing must start not with city states, but with its people.

The scene with Zero and Jullus is not only highly appropriate for that setting, it also adds to the wrapping up of an old, bitter, hard fought war in which EVERYONE lost..regardless of what happens next, the old Garlemald will never regain its former glory.

Maybe....thats as it should be.

Jullus, in that moment, broke bread with his worst enemies. The symbolism, the meaning of that one gesture, was perfectly timed.

[KageTokage]

On a totally separate note, I find it funny that they seem to have heard the complaints from people who missed the RPR specific dialogue in the previous MSQ patches and made it occur regardless of whether or not you have the job equipped.

It made Jullus acknowledging that we had someone skilled in the reaper arts and the accompanying camera focus on me a little confusing initially because I was on BLM at the time, which prompted a thought of "Going off of...what exactly?".

[GTK0HLK]

On a totally separate note, I find it funny that they seem to have heard the complaints from people who missed the RPR specific dialogue in the previous MSQ patches and made it occur regardless of whether or not you have the job equipped.


edit:
Though it was mostly weird due to the fact I knew I missed Zeros Dialog, so instead of being mostly natural. it was obvious SE made those changes.
it's almost like Jullus had fourth wall knowledge and was trying to appease us.
It made Jullus acknowledging that we had someone skilled in the reaper arts and the accompanying camera focus on me a little confusing initially because I was on BLM at the time, which prompted a thought of "Going off of...what exactly?".

yeah. jullus mentioningbit was kinda odd.., but I found it OK, since I leveled everything to max, so they'd know eventually.

[Joven]

Sadly,*Shadowbringers*did not have an Alliance Raid series, only an extended marketing collaboration with Yoko Taro, due to the lack of good judgment that FFXIV's director suffers from (and/or possession of a ruthlessly-shrewd business sense). Therefore, there is no story or substance to even comment on for the ShB case.

I liked the story with the dwarf twins. Their feelings of isolation and need to be accepted by their peers. Plus the ending was rather bittersweet.

[IkaraGreydancer]

On a totally separate note, I find it funny that they seem to have heard the complaints from people who missed the RPR specific dialogue in the previous MSQ patches and made it occur regardless of whether or not you have the job equipped.

It made Jullus acknowledging that we had someone skilled in the reaper arts and the accompanying camera focus on me a little confusing initially because I was on BLM at the time, which prompted a thought of "Going off of...what exactly?".

That's interesting to know. I was on Reaper for it so it made sense to mention

[Amenara]

Yeah I thought the reaper reference was odd as I am pretty sure I was SCH for the cutscene. Curious if anything changes if you don't even have RPR unlocked. Would be a pretty dumb oversight if the CS was exactly the same.

[Aword3213]

oh sweet sweet jebus I hope that is a joke and you are not so monumentally foolish as to try and use that as an argument against criticism.

I mean...cmon man. add the jk lol at the end in an edit.

please....

You can search OP post history. You’ll find his version of storytelling horrible, immature, and lacking in senses.

In his own term, disastrous.