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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Going by the general "we're just sort of here and don't do anything" vibe they've been giving off, I'm operating on the assumption that their assigned duties aren't entirely literal. I don't think they're holding anything together or willing anything particular into being, at any rate.
    They did theorize that the world would've been a chaotic mess in the wake of the Sundering and may have needed to be stabilized at least for a time so the natural order could repair itself.

    Mankind was similarly broken and it can be assumed that the Twelve were all assigned specific roles in tending to them both physically and mentally to similarly "stabilize" them both in the sense of rebuilding society and mending their forms.

    I imagine the "age of the gods" ended once they were certain man could survive without them, at which point they retired to their present role of simply watching and waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    They did theorize that the world would've been a chaotic mess in the wake of the Sundering and may have needed to be stabilized at least for a time so the natural order could repair itself.

    Mankind was similarly broken and it can be assumed that the Twelve were all assigned specific roles in tending to them both physically and mentally to similarly "stabilize" them both in the sense of rebuilding society and mending their forms.

    I imagine the "age of the gods" ended once they were certain man could survive without them, at which point they retired to their present role of simply watching and waiting.
    This just begs the question what the unsundered were doing during this time. I can't fathom that they'd just sit idly by as Hydaelyn's magical creations based on her ancient brethren were ruling and setting up the sundered world for mankind's (more or less ideal) habitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehmon View Post
    This just begs the question what the unsundered were doing during this time. I can't fathom that they'd just sit idly by as Hydaelyn's magical creations based on her ancient brethren were ruling and setting up the sundered world for mankind's (more or less ideal) habitation.
    Judging by general timeframes of how long it takes to enact a Calamity from zero (generally 1000-1500 years, with the potential Eighth being an outlier thanks to Louisoix), they most likely went straight for smashing the Thirteenth after regathering themselves. There's not a lot of time for them to have fit every single Calamity in the twelve thousand years allotted when you remember that average amount required. People from the Thirteenth have mentioned a 'ten thousand years since the Flood' figure twice now, but it's also worth remembering that issue of time not flowing at constant rates, so while it's been ten thousand for them it was probably longer by the Source's clock.

    It's worth remembering that such a 'regathering themselves' state was probably unfathomably long from our perspective--we're talking 'smallest viable time unit is still decades'. But since they had at least one sundered Ascian by the time they hit the Thirteenth, they were probably fairly organized by the time they did. So basically, no, I don't think they feasibly could've been sitting idly by and they seemed to hit the ground running with their plan, although they also definitely didn't have the entire system worked out. There was definitely a 'trial and error' period.
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  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Judging by general timeframes of how long it takes to enact a Calamity from zero (generally 1000-1500 years, with the potential Eighth being an outlier thanks to Louisoix), they most likely went straight for smashing the Thirteenth after regathering themselves. There's not a lot of time for them to have fit every single Calamity in the twelve thousand years allotted. People from the Thirteenth have mentioned a 'ten thousand years since the Flood' figure twice now, but it's also worth remembering that issue of time not flowing at constant rates, so while it's been ten thousand for them it was probably longer by the Source's clock.

    It's worth remembering that such a 'regathering themselves' state was probably unfathomably long from our perspective--we're talking 'smallest viable time unit is still decades'. But since they had at least one sundered Ascian by the time they hit the Thirteenth, they were probably fairly organized by the time they did. So basically, no, I don't think they feasibly could've been sitting idly by and they seemed to hit the ground running with their plan, although they also definitely didn't have the entire system worked out. There was definitely a 'trial and error' period.
    Good points, though with '' sit idly by '' I was more so talking of potential clashes between the Twelve and the unsundered, but would there have been a point in that? Was there any reason for either to go after the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehmon View Post
    This just begs the question what the unsundered were doing during this time. I can't fathom that they'd just sit idly by as Hydaelyn's magical creations based on her ancient brethren were ruling and setting up the sundered world for mankind's (more or less ideal) habitation.
    If I were to assume, Elidibus may have asked them directly what exactly they were made for, since he would have been able to tell at a glance that they were creations, not actual Ancients. They may have likely told him, since their role was simply to protect life and nothing more, meaning they were not a threat to the plans of the Unsundered (and may have been just as surprised that the Unsundered still existed, at least in the original timeline).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehmon View Post
    Was there any reason for either to go after the other?
    I don't see why they would. If anything, both sides would have shared a common interest as far as the Source is concerned, especially prior to the Flood of Darkness. Our conflict with the Ascians arose out of their methods of rejoining, more than anything else.
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    I would not even be surprised if the faith in the twelves gave the Ascians the idea that they could use such faith for their own plans. (It could be their own tempering too of course or maybe a combination of both?)
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    One thing I will say I enjoy about the 'Realms' Alliance Raids is the way the story presents itself.

    No apocalyptic threat. No threat of calamity. No ulterior motive or evil plan. Just some benevolent deities who seem to want to have some fun with their 'children'. It's pretty refreshing in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    One thing I will say I enjoy about the 'Realms' Alliance Raids is the way the story presents itself.

    No apocalyptic threat. No threat of calamity. No ulterior motive or evil plan. Just some benevolent deities who seem to want to have some fun with their 'children'. It's pretty refreshing in my opinion.
    This and get an update about how they're being worshipped. I like how Halone says that even though she enjoys it when people pray to her around battle she didn't enjoy seeing them fight the dragons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    One thing I will say I enjoy about the 'Realms' Alliance Raids is the way the story presents itself.

    No apocalyptic threat. No threat of calamity. No ulterior motive or evil plan. Just some benevolent deities who seem to want to have some fun with their 'children'. It's pretty refreshing in my opinion.
    100% this. Before this raid I was really fearing that we would just find their place, kill them and be done with it. Its nice that SE instead went this route eventhough I am not really sure what the end goal even is. Hopefully it does not end with them moving on.

    With Deryk being already sad about the goodbye in the future and him probably being one of the gods I really fear that this sadness is more than just not being able to interact with us anymore but that the gods plan to die after we fulfill whatever plan they have.
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