Revelations from Patch 6.3: Gods Revel, Lands Tremble

[SannaR]

@Alleo Is the things they say before the fight what changed? If so I can post what they said before, at the halfway and at their defeat. If anyone has what they used to say. I did one run with cutscenes on. I wish that if a dungeon has been reworked and there's changed dialog they'd force you to watch it.

Oh and I guess they removed Giaus's "How very Glib" line from Praetorium this patch. So pour one out or something.

[Rannie]

@Alleo Is the things they say before the fight what changed? If so I can post what they said before, at the halfway and at their defeat. If anyone has what they used to say. I did one run with cutscenes on. I wish that if a dungeon has been reworked and there's changed dialog they'd force you to watch it.

Oh and I guess they removed Giaus's "How very Glib" line from Praetorium this patch. So pour one out or something.

I'm going to miss giving him the WTf face and him telling me how glib I am....

[Fenral]

MYTHS!

I thought it was that Ancients were un-vulnerable to dynamis under normal circumstances, which is why the others couldn't trace Meteion after she vanished, but we could.

Venat's whole plan (which we technically gave her) had to do with making us more resilient against Dynamis, otherwise the entire expansion comes apart at the seams. The Endsinger was pretty focused on doom and despair (black Dynamis), which led to the Ancients involuntarily manifesting their nightmares via creation magicks, but we don't really know what would happen with large quantities of the other kinds of Dynamis. (But we do know it has different colors thanks to the Elpis flower.)

Though, with that said, the Sundered become monsters directly under the influence of black Dynamis (even though that always seemed so much worse), so maybe the current state of the Twelve is actually a result of their sundering.

But I'm just spitballing without proper citations, as usual.

[Alenore]

On Dynamis and Ancients,

MYTHS!

Venat's whole plan (which we technically gave her) had to do with making us more resilient against Dynamis, otherwise the entire expansion comes apart at the seams. The Endsinger was pretty focused on doom and despair (black Dynamis), which led to the Ancients involuntarily manifesting their nightmares via creation magicks, but we don't really know what would happen with large quantities of the other kinds of Dynamis. (But we do know it has different colors thanks to the Elpis flower.)

Though, with that said, the Sundered become monsters directly under the influence of black Dynamis (even though that always seemed so much worse), so maybe the current state of the Twelve is actually a result of their sundering.

But I'm just spitballing without proper citations, as usual.

Ancients were almost immune to the effect of Dynamis. And sundered people absolutely aren't more resilient to it.
The Song of Oblivion only affected Ancient creations, and not Ancient themselves, because of how aetherically dense Ancient were ; only their creations were twisted. But sundered people are absolutely affected by it, and they can use Dynamis to some effect (for instance, when they pray to you, Zenos and the WoL having a huge Dyanmis buff during the final fight, etc).

Hermes even mentions the fact that Dynamis barely interacts with them, due to how aetherically dense Etheirys is. This is also why Meteion thinks you're an entelechy when she first sees you: your aether is very thin, which is a staple of entelechies.

Venat sundering us had to do with us getting in touch with our emotions and despair, so that we would be able to face Meteion head on and still be able to say "forge ahead" and mean it, to reuse their term, despite our world being on the brink of destruction, our friends turned to Dynamis, etc.

I thought it was that Ancients were un-vulnerable to dynamis under normal circumstances, which is why the others couldn't trace Meteion after she vanished, but we could.

Hydaelyn had the location of Meteion the whole time, thanks to her tracking spell. What she didn't have was a mean to get there, and who to send to Ultima Thule.
Which is why she entrusts us the coordinates and had the Loporrits be all interstellar-travelish.

[Lurina]

It's not super clear to me what "Sundered" even means at this point. Like, in Endwalker,

it's explained the reason that the Ancients repel Dynamis is just because they have a lot of Aether; there's no X-factor to it beyond that. The gods obviously have a lot of Aether because they're, like, gods (unless they're entelechies, though that really feels like something the story would have mentioned) which should be all that matters in terms of whether or not it can influence them. And like, what would "Sundered" even refer to for a group of beings that were apparently created wholesale after the Sundering had already happened?

It really feels like the writers are just making this stuff up as they go along, and people are using terminology with rhyme or reason to handwave it.

[Cleretic]

It's not super clear to me what "Sundered" even means at this point. Like, in Endwalker,

it's explained the reason that the Ancients repel Dynamis is just because they have a lot of Aether; there's no X-factor to it beyond that. The gods obviously have a lot of Aether because they're, like, gods (unless they're entelechies, though that really feels like something the story would have mentioned) which should be call that matters in terms of whether or not it can influence them. And like, what would "Sundered" even mean for a group of beings that were apparently created wholesale after the Sundering had already happened?

It really feels like the writers are just making this stuff up as they go along, and people are using terminology with rhyme or reason to handwave it.

I thought the notion was fairly clear.

The gods probably do have a lot of aether, yes; we haven't exactly got an answer on that, but it's a fair assumption. But unlike an Ancient, they've been around for millennia, and get pretty feelings-heavy prayers sent directly to them, constantly, from at least an entire continent. It's not a total immunity thing, the Twelve have basically just made themselves such targets that it got to them, eventually.

Of course, it should also be remembered that this is all off-the-cuff in-universe speculation; even with everyone doing that speculating being very smart, it's still a very simple initial theory, and it's entirely possible it's either completely wrong or missing important facts.

My theory: remember that their realms are changing, too, as made obvious with the Realm of Ice, as it has very clearly mankind-influenced elements. I suspect that's because the space they're in is a major contributing factor, and we'll find out exactly how when those readings G'raha took come back. Perhaps the heavenly realm is an entirely dynamis-shaped and influenced space, similar to what we saw with Elysium, but rather than being largely shaped by the inhabitants it's largely shaped by external input.

[Iscah]

Hydaelyn had the location of Meteion the whole time, thanks to her tracking spell. What she didn't have was a mean to get there, and who to send to Ultima Thule.
Which is why she entrusts us the coordinates and had the Loporrits be all interstellar-travelish.

I mean earlier, when Meteion vanished because she didn't want to report to Hermes, and nobody except us could sense where she had gone.

[Mieck]

Rework for Aetherochemical Research Facility

I liked what they did there. It is nice to run this with NPCs, especially since I need huge amount of tomestones for the ARR relics at the moment.

I also love the dialogue the NPCs have in this. One is annoyed that we have to fight monsters again in a elevator and the tank agreed to that. Makes it feels much more real.

The second boss is so much better since you know get hints how many people you need in the marker to survive it and that other attack has been changed to a "stack marker".

The two Ascians have new dialogue that hints at what they want with the calamities and the fight got changed quite a bit.

All in all I enjoyed running it.

The ARF rework was great, although I would have loved

a mild plot rework, where Alphinaud, Estinien, and Y'Shtola catch up with you at the Flagship, and you run the dungeon with them. In order to make the end of the plot work, I would have had the three of them need to run off and fix some other issue - could have been to do with the Triad - and you face the Ascians in a solo instance. That way you don't put the Scions at risk of tempering by Thordan, but still get to run the expansion final dungeon with the team, rather than just the no-names. It would have been a lot of work, and would have needed a new 3rd boss, and a redesign of the final stages, but man... I can dream.

[Allegor]

Ok so, I know this will probably sound trivial, but considering what we now know about The Twelve....

who else is concerned about Dalamud's fate....? is he gonna die? turn feral? he was born out of people's beliefs, but now that it's public knowledge that the lesser moon was of Allag creation, his reputation is all but ruined, and 100 years into the future most people would probably not even know there was a second moon.

[Seraphor]

Ok so, I know this will probably sound trivial, but considering what we now know about The Twelve....

who else is concerned about Dalamud's fate....? is he gonna die? turn feral? he was born out of people's beliefs, but now that it's public knowledge that the lesser moon was of Allag creation, his reputation is all but ruined, and 100 years into the future most people would probably not even know there was a second moon.

How dare you ������

Dalamutt will live on forever as a mount. Please make it so yoshi.