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    My Problem With The Role Quest System Is How All Are Required For Major Side Story

    This is especially in terms of Endwalker, where a major side story revolves around completing all five role quest lines, requiring you to level up and play a Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS, Caster DPS, and Healer to get the whole story, even if you don't enjoy playing certain roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Styrmwyda View Post
    This is especially in terms of Endwalker, where a major side story revolves around completing all five role quest lines, requiring you to level up and play a Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS, Caster DPS, and Healer to get the whole story, even if you don't enjoy playing certain roles.
    You can just watch on Youtube if you really want to get 'the whole story', this reminds me of how people were asking for a 'story mode for DSR' because they didn't want to do ultimate to see the 'story' (a literal 'lmao what if' scenario that is not canon), and for some reason refused to see someone else's POV of it, because I guess it doesn't count if it's not their WOL in the cutscene

    I don't really enjoy DPS all that much, but I got every class to 90. Just do Levelling roulette and you'll get 90 eventually off of that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    You can just watch on Youtube if you really want to get 'the whole story', this reminds me of how people were asking for a 'story mode for DSR' because they didn't want to do ultimate to see the 'story' (a literal 'lmao what if' scenario that is not canon), and for some reason refused to see someone else's POV of it, because I guess it doesn't count if it's not their WOL in the cutscene

    I don't really enjoy DPS all that much, but I got every class to 90. Just do Levelling roulette and you'll get 90 eventually off of that
    The thing is, DSR (and other Ultimates) are "what if" scenarios, while the epilogue to the EW Role Quests deals with a major part of the story and ties up loose ends. And I don't enjoy (or more likely, feel very overwhelmed by) Tanking and especially Healing in group content. Like, what if I am not able to quickly switch between targeting the boss and healing someone when needed?
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    Oh noes you have to do content to unlock other content. The horror
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Oh noes you have to do content to unlock other content. The horror
    Usually i dont agree with ya, but yes, so true, how dare they.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Oh noes you have to do content to unlock other content. The horror
    The thing is, before job quests were self contained, and you could get the full MSQ story while only doing one job. And as I said, I am especially nervous about leveling Tanking and Healer in group content, where if you mess up, things are much worse, even in casual content, and while people may be patient in the early levels, if I made those mistakes in later levels (especially if I decide to make GNB my Tank and SGE my Healer, which start at 60 and 70, respectively), they would likely be much less forgiving.
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    Last edited by Styrmwyda; 01-11-2023 at 07:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Oh noes you have to do content to unlock other content. The horror
    One of the few times I actually agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiramu View Post
    One of the few times I actually agree with you.
    I think he is missing the point. Like I said, I am afraid to do Tank and Healer group content at higher levels, but group content is the only way to level them effectively (well, besides buying a level boost with real money)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Styrmwyda View Post
    I think he is missing the point. Like I said, I am afraid to do Tank and Healer group content at higher levels, but group content is the only way to level them effectively (well, besides buying a level boost with real money)
    Do your beast tribe dailies. That's how I got 2 of the 4 healers to 90 (SCH is a cop-out since it levels with SMN).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Styrmwyda View Post
    I think he is missing the point. Like I said, I am afraid to do Tank and Healer group content at higher levels, but group content is the only way to level them effectively (well, besides buying a level boost with real money)

    I think you might be over thinking that. You can ding 90 without doing Lv80+ content, probably without doing Lv70+ content. It's rare for EW duties to appear in roulette, so rare that I've only ran most of them once or a few times total. It's usually HW and SB content that rolls with the occasional ShB and maybe an EW from time to time... if not lowbie dungeons. If you're doing your dailies and a few side activities that give you EXP then you'll have a tank and healer at 90 in a reasonable time.

    Also, higher level content is more about mechanics, so provided you know the mechanics well enough you would probably be fine. You can also roll trials, then you have a co-tank and a co-healer which takes the heat off a lot. When I'm on shield healers I can feel like a loose wheel when I'm paired with a regen healer in normal content. You just throw up your shields and DPS, mitigate raidwides and sometimes step it up if things go wrong.


    If you play White Mage you have powerful regen stacks and heavy duty emergency heals. I'm not the best player in the world, far from it, and I've been able to correct some big mistakes of my own while healing tanks who don't know what a mitigation is. While you won't be clearing high end content on it without being good, it's very forgiving in normal content provided you're not dying to mechanics yourself.

    If you tank on Warrior, similar story. You have solid mits and you have a lot of self healing tools, which, like WHM does give you a lot of leeway for mistakes.
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    Last edited by Tiramu; 01-11-2023 at 10:39 AM.
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