Full Notes Patch 6.3

**Gemina** · 01-10-2023 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Knot_D

But it's 2 minutes mitigation... Why though? The regen is also "self" regen compared with RPR's Arcane Crest that's available every 30 seconds but AoE.

I might don't mind if it's 1 minute but... 2 minutes for 10 seconds damage reduction are too long to just use, for example, on Barbie EX

I am unfamiliar with RPR, but also not really aiming to compare one melee to the next in terms of their self-sustain. I think it's probably important to ask if RPR needs 10% mitigation every 30s, especially considering that they should almost never be at the top of the aggro list. I should backtrack a bit and not say RoE makes MNK more sustainable, but rather it gives their self-sustain more efficacy.

I will point out again that MNK do have RoW and Bloodbath, which have the same 90s recast, and really should be used together. It is a really potent Regen, especially when combined with their passive GL3 trait. 20% mitigation for 10s is a massive amount of damage reduction, and should be coordinated for when incoming damage is highest. Then you also add a total of 1500 pot to restore a lot of health that is lost. I think 120s is fine for the majority of bosses in the game. The game would need far more hard hitting bosses to warrant anything less than 2min, honestly.

**ICountFrom0** · 01-10-2023 03:06 PM

Does paladin now have more skills than will fit on 3 bars (including role actions) ?

**Deveryn** · 01-10-2023 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rithy255

I'm somewhat excited but a bit disappointed with how they went about reworking goring blade into another "press every 1 minute button" Having magic outside burst is a huge W In my opinion, allows PLD to flow more and feel less strict, you can save your holy spirit (outside of raid buff), for 1. need a small sustain, 2. go into ranged Pld might actually feel so good at higher levels.

A big issue is PLD is going to feel even worse before they get magic, it's going to be 1, 2, 3 still in ARR, hw You don't even have dot management, they really need to look at how PLD plays early game because it feels really boring and will put off people levelling the job, In general PLD still needs a bit more polish in my opinion it's got a bunch of bloat (cover & shield bash), it's got still a clunky raid wide in Passage, also I really dislike intervention I'm hoping the rework it so you don't have to actively be mitigating rampart/sentinel to get "bonus" effects aka the same effect as your normal CD.

PLD likely going to be in a really good spot for Level 90 content, it's going to be actually be a good MT option with how PLD's get generally more uses out of holy Shelltron but now doesn't lack a personal, I think warrior might still need a Damage buff, we're unsure about if PLD gonna have big numbers or not right now.

I agree with most of this, but I feel like DoT management shouldn't be a thing for ANY tank. It wasn't even much in the way of management. I say this having played jobs in other games that actually juggled DoTs for their DPS. I know DoTs meant more back when aggro was different, but those days are behind us and it's time to move away from that.

Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Does paladin now have more skills than will fit on 3 bars (including role actions) ?

It only gained one button with bulwark. The tank stance is an interchanging action.

**RyuDragnier** · 01-10-2023 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

Why does WAR get more healing buffs? Why don't they ever buff DRK or SCH the same way?

Because that would require them to actually assess DRK and SCH, and make them come to the conclusion that both need a rework. Which is something the devs would rather not admit when they can come up with some ridiculous reason that DRG, the poster boy for "fine as a job", needs a rework.

Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Isn't DRK pretty good compared to the other tanks when it comes to damage? It's a de-facto choice during World First races.

Damage means nothing when the job feels bad to play.

**Rithy255** · 01-10-2023 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Damage means nothing when the job feels bad to play.

100% agree I might love big swords, magic but if dark knight feels not fun to play why play it? even if it's meta I'm having way more fun on Paladin or gunbreaker.

Dark knight needs a rework really badly it might be "meta" but that doesn't mean it's a well balanced or fun job for most people

**Shibi** · 01-10-2023 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

Why does WAR get more healing buffs? Why don't they ever buff DRK or SCH the same way?

As a SGE main, I am now thinking of switching class to WAR, my heals would be more efficient.

**Jettinson** · 01-10-2023 04:39 PM

Monk's new Riddle of Earth paired with new Bard's Nature Minne... uh healers?

**Rithy255** · 01-10-2023 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Shibi

As a SGE main, I am now thinking of switching class to WAR, my heals would be more efficient.

You get regens and barriers on warrior, you have more survivability aswell, my only downside would be that you don't have a rez, I think they might add that next major patch where warrior idk magically throws that axe at someone to revive them.

**VentVanitas** · 01-10-2023 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gemina

Old RoE is a penalizing ability, which many players - myself included grow sick of. The old RoF would reduce the amount mitigated once you start using weaponskills, which is absolutely horrendous, especially in fights where damage is coming out consistently like Barb EX. You really did not need the three stacks, especially when taking this penalty into account..

RoE's mit effect did not add per stack, that was only present in the ShB iteration of the skill. Pre 6.3 RoE was a flat mit for 3 GCDs, the effect itself did not degrade per stack lost.

Originally Posted by Gemina

I will point out again that MNK do have RoW and Bloodbath, which have the same 90s recast, and really should be used together. It is a really potent Regen, especially when combined with their passive GL3 trait. 20% mitigation for 10s is a massive amount of damage reduction, and should be coordinated for when incoming damage is highest. Then you also add a total of 1500 pot to restore a lot of health that is lost. I think 120s is fine for the majority of bosses in the game. The game would need far more hard hitting bosses to warrant anything less than 2min, honestly.

Compared to previous iterations of RoE this change is quite bad, actually. Completely ignoring the fact that MNK doesn't even need the heal- the regen only amounts to 500 potency which would make it equal to Second Wind, however HoTs cannot crit. So that just leaves the mitigation, which is a net nerf considering that not that many mechanics actually deal frequent damage within a 10s timeframe and when there are that do, old RoE was able to handle it just fine with its charges and shorter cooldown.

Additionally, giving MNK a "better" personal mit is hardly the most pressing issue on the job. Compared to other problems that could be done with a hotfix, opting to change RoE again for the third time in the past 3 years just feels unnecessary.

**Bsrking5** · 01-10-2023 06:00 PM

I hope the tank stance addiction button gets removed. No need for redundant buttons. And I'm pretty sure based on the wording the button to turn on tank stance no longer removes it and doesn't change to button to remove it. It's the ast card problem, no one needed a button the only removes an effect.

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