Stricter requirements for Mentors.

[DixieBellOCE]

My argument is that somebody who does not participate in Endgame Activities is arguably, not suitable to be 'Mentoring' new players, and is most likely going to give out false information.

To become a mentor, and to help newer players grow into better players overall, you should at least have a clear understanding of the combat or crafting side of the game.

Some basic ideas below, to make becoming and keeping a mentor status more strict.

Trade Mentor:
1. Completion of all current Gathering Nodes and Crafting Recipes per patch release (Yes, that means Expert crafting and Timed nodes too!)


Battle Mentor:
1. Completion of all current Extreme Trials per patch basis. (Yes, you lose your crown until you complete the latest trial on extreme)

2. Completion of at least ONE current Raid Tier on Savage as of the X.1 Patch of an expansion. (Your previous crown will last until the release of the first raid in the expansion).

3. 100 PvP Victories in Crystaline Conflict

Full Mentor:
1. All of the Above.

2. No prior warnings/actions taken against their square enix account by support.

Having much stricter requirements will easily weed out the Mentors that only have the crown as a collectable item, and clean up things like Expert Roulette for newer players, having only mentors that actually know what they are doing, playing in those activities.

Obviously these are extreme values, and not actual requirements, but so far the discussion has been good and there has been a legitimate reply with a much better mentor system that has been currently implemented.

I wrote up a hypothetical mentor system re-work for a thread literally two years ago, and honestly it somehow still pretty much encompasses every recommendation/suggestion I'd make in a thread like this...

[Kolaina]

That just sounds ridiculous. Every node and recipe…. Completely unnecessary.

Current extremes. There’s progression parties in party finder for those. Not necessarily available for former extremes where a mentor may be more of a necessity or at least if some use.

[VelKallor]

My argument is that somebody who does not participate in Endgame Activities is arguably, not suitable to be 'Mentoring' new players, and is most likely going to give out false information.

FF 14 isnt WOW, FF 14 isnt raid centric, and quite frankly your idea FORCES people into pvp.

BTW 100 victories can take up to 400 matches...this is not only unreasonable, its idiotic.

A FLAT NO.

[Hasrat]

I'm on the other end. I don't quite understand why you need to have completed any end-game requirements to help and mentor players that won't be seeing any of that content for several months, if they're quick.

Once I pivot around to completing all of my Zodiac weapons, I'll have done, I think, pretty much everything ARR has to offer (aside from PVP). Why should I be disqualified from helping out new players which all start out in ARR?

I don't actually have any desire for the mentor crown. But, on some level, it does seem kinda strange to keep moving the requirements further and further from new players. Would be curious to know how many current mentors even remember their new player experience..

[kevin_satron]

might as well add mentor for each job

[VelKallor]

Oh and Dixie, before you start setting 'qualifications", Ill just draw your attention to the merits..or lack thereof..of CURRENT NA mentors who, when asked a question, responded with "Google it". If THAT is the calibre of your current mentors, then you got MUCH bigger problems.

THAT happened to a sprout three days ago. They were..unimpressed.

"Google it" is NOT an answer any new player should receive..so with all honesty, maybe what you might want to do beforehand is to make sure that the people who are mentors are suited to BE mentors in the first place?

Having done all of that doesnt mean they can teach, or will be willing to teach, or are suited in any way to help new players..

[Bobby66]

Often google does a batter job at answering the question, or the answer given is just a copy pasta from google. Which begs the question do we need mentors at this point? Outside of maybe the mentor roulette not sure what mentors really offer the game.

[VelKallor]

Often google does a better job at answering the question.

The job of a mentor is to teach, to assist, to answer questions, not to flip a sprout off and tell them to "Google it".

[Kolaina]

The job of a mentor is to teach, to assist, to answer questions, not to flip a sprout off and tell them to "Google it".

Idk. I’m with bobby66 on this one.

Google often has better advice and sometimes in depth videos. If a person needs assistance, I think they should have some personal accountability, do some research themself and then, if need clarifying, go to someone.

[Zebraoracle]

Often google does a batter job at answering the question, or the answer given is just a copy pasta from google. Which begs the question do we need mentors at this point? Outside of maybe the mentor roulette not sure what mentors really offer the game.

While true, like Vel said, the point of a mentor is to actually answer questions and help. I could understand if they're providing links to like, guides or something, but a simple "google it" is, depending on the context, kind of yikes for a mentor to say. I do agree that currently, mentors are kind of, uh... what's the point? Good in spirit, but... idk. The memes about mentors exist for a reason, I know not all mentors are garbage (it's particularly funny/annoying when you see screencaps of mentors actually trying to mentor and they get shouted down and made fun of because of the burger king crown), but plenty of people in this game aren't exactly open to constructive criticism and advice.

Idk. I’m with bobby66 on this one.

Google often has better advice and sometimes in depth videos. If a person needs assistance, I think they should have some personal accountability, do some research themself and then, if need clarifying, go to someone.

Really depends on the situation. If it's like, a full on guide for a job or something, sure, google it. But a mentor should at least be expected to say "you should cycle your mit during trash pulls and not save it for bosses", "you should stop using cure 1 once you get cure 2", etc. Like those are actually helpful tips that the game doesn't do a good job of teaching.