Suggestion: Make it easier to report toxic players

[Zebraoracle]

Then when I decided to play as dark knight, afew party members demanded that I pull wall to wall and stop tanking like thancred, dps proceeded to pull lots of mobs then complain that I didn’t rush over to grab aggro

Then the very next run while again I was playing dark knight a healer used rescue when I was trying to proc blackest night, then proceeded to say I was a “dark tard” after I explained what I was trying to do


So yup, big downgrade in the community - I could go on but I think people get the picture, rescue should hopefully get removed too, it’s good on paper but I’ve only ever seen it used as a griefing thing, not for it’s intended purpose, I’ve seen far too many white mages use rescue to drag people to their death but I think it would be super helpful to make the reporting process a lot easier

Not disagreeing that the community can be pretty toxic, but a couple of things to note here:

People generally expect tanks to pull W2W in dungeons. It's faster, more efficient, and as long as your whole group is decently geared and using their very simple AoE rotations correctly, isn't hard at all (tank aggro management has been nerfed so far into the dirt it's seeing fossil fuels, one or two AoEs and you have complete aggro on everything you hit). It's also not toxic for other players to pull mobs for you, tanks are not pullers, they're aggro holders. As long as they bring the mobs to you, it's a net gain for you because their HP is free mitigation for you and it's even better if they pop arm's length for you and inflict everything with slow. While there's no set rule saying you HAVE to, I would definitely try to adjust to pulling W2W, it'll make things so much easier for you moving forward on top of increasing your skill as a player.

Rescue absolutely should not be removed. Accidental kills when trying to save someone isn't griefing. If anything, they should work on snapshotting not completely screwing up how rescue works, considering by the time it actually goes off it's usually too late. Sure, there are people that do grief with it, but those people are also reportable.

[ICountFrom0]

It's also not toxic for other players to pull mobs for you, tanks are not pullers, they're aggro holders. As long as they bring the mobs to you,
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So much wrong with this statement.

I only pull as much agro as I know I can remiably maintain. Any time I've had people pull more "for me" it's resulted in a party wipe, every single time.

Intionally causing the wipe of a party is bad.

[Gemina]

So much wrong with this statement.

Indeed. The player that pulls will immediately start taking damage from autos. I've seen autos from bosses and trash reduce the HP of the non-tank puller to lower than 50% in a blink of an eye, and if the tank is even a step off from taking the aggro, the player will die without assistance from the healer. Only the tank has the defensive value and mitigation abilities to soak that kind of damage, clearly making them the ones who should be pulling when the threat level is high.

Now if you get a dungeon like Neverreap or something along those lines, this can change as the threat level isn't the same. It still doesn't change that if you want to pull and set the pace, then play a tank. The role gives you all the tools you need to do so, and you're not getting into duties any faster as DPS, or even a healer.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Indeed. The player that pulls will immediately start taking damage from autos. I've seen autos from bosses and trash reduce the HP of the non-tank puller to lower than 50% in a blink of an eye, and if the tank is even a step off from taking the aggro, the player will die without assistance from the healer. Only the tank has the defensive value and mitigation abilities to soak that kind of damage, clearly making them the ones who should be pulling when the threat level is high.

Now if you get a dungeon like Neverreap or something along those lines, this can change as the threat level isn't the same. It still doesn't change that if you want to pull and set the pace, then play a tank. The role gives you all the tools you need to do so, and you're not getting into duties any faster as DPS, or even a healer.

don't recall the duty names but they tend to be the ones that drop the first set of gear that actually has a higher ilvl than the best gear from before their expansion. Those duties are the ones I would regularly see people melt from 1 pack of enemies because the damage output from enemies seems to increase noticeably paired with people not being adequately geared as they couldn't be bothered even getting tomestone gear from the previous level cap. The duty in stormblood that had the lv 65 gear and that one boss you don't actually attack felt especially bad as I would see tanks melt from full HP faster than the healer could get 1 healing spell off.

[Saraide]

TBF single pulling tanks are kinda toxic.

[Jeeqbit]

now it’s pretty much 2-3 daily and with how the report function is now it takes a lot of time to report players that are being toxic, this should be like how you report rmt and have it be a right click on the text and report

It shouldn't be that simple, because you need to explain your case, why you are offended by it, how it affected you emotionally and based on all of that, they can determine you were really hurt by this and assess if what they said could reasonably be deemed rude in certain circumstances.

You just need to open Support Desk in the support menu and Report Harassment and fill out the template.

I don't think that it happens 2-3 times daily, but it might in your region (EU) because when I've played on EU data centers I have come across a lot of extremely rude players in roulettes who have no regard for the rules. They just berate anyone they consider to be playing poorly. But I don't see it in NA.

Then when I decided to play as dark knight, afew party members demanded that I pull wall to wall and stop tanking like thancred, dps proceeded to pull lots of mobs then complain that I didn’t rush over to grab aggro

I had that sort of harassment when I started the game as a tank many years ago, but more frequently the harassment took the form of people exiting the duty in silence or a rude comment at the very end before leaving. The rules weren't as general back then so they could use loopholes to get away with it. The harassment went away when I had cleared all of the dungeons once and knew what to expect in those dungeons and started pulling big.

So yup, big downgrade in the community - I could go on but I think people get the picture, rescue should hopefully get removed too, it’s good on paper but I’ve only ever seen it used as a griefing thing

I use it to rescue people all the time. Sometimes you have to be behind something to survive and it's useful then. Sometimes people go to the wrong side and then start running to the safe spot too late, and you can rescue them into the safe spot in time. Sometimes you know a mechanic will hit the exact spot someone is standing and you can save them. If someone has a debuff that makes them run around like crazy or a forced march, you can pull them to the safe spot. It has a lot of uses, even if some people only use it for griefing.

[LianaThorne]

So EU is the real toxic region? *takes notes*

[Bobby66]

So EU is the real toxic region? *takes notes*

More so willing to bet the OP is embellishing things a tad.

[Jeeqbit]

So EU is the real toxic region? *takes notes*

My guess is that an average player is less casual than in NA while being more blunt in how they talk, and I think it's a cultural difference. They don't like people being "lazy" or "not carrying their weight" and things like that. I don't play on EU data centers much but the fact I encountered so many incidents in the few times I queued for roulettes last time is interesting. Because I can do 200 roulettes in NA and have no such experience.

And no, none of the harassment was aimed at me. I was just a quiet observer of it.

[LianaThorne]

My guess is that an average player is less casual than in NA while being more blunt in how they talk, and I think it's a cultural difference. They don't like people being "lazy" or "not carrying their weight" and things like that. I don't play on EU data centers much but the fact I encountered so many incidents in the few times I queued for roulettes last time is interesting. Because I can do 200 roulettes in NA and have no such experience.

And no, none of the harassment was aimed at me. I was just a quiet observer of it.

Next time I get bored I think I'll go roll a character on EU and see what's up cause I'm curious. I've seen something similar occur on Materia where NA players were getting publically shamed in a run of CT since a tank decided to do a strat they weren't familiar with (calling him useless, stupid, other words I won't use because they aren't PC, etc.) I haven't seen anything comparable during my time on NA but I am only one person so maybe others have seen otherwise.