Mentor Roulette adjustments desperately needed

[Rithy255]

Most EX fights can be blind progged in a single lockout. Overgearing and potency creep make the dps checks on old EX fights basically non-existent.

That really depends on what EXT fight really, I've mainly done a lot of the recent EW ones and some SHB ones personally I remember them being somewhat hard, you certainly needed to watch a guide beforehand, a lot of the really older ones might be true?

That being said You can certainly still get stuck with a fight that would practically be impossible to explain everything from and Duty finder isn't really good for extremes, theirs not even a exterme roulette outside of mentor. It goes back to Duty finder not really being the best learning environment for harder content in the first place.

[Saraide]

That really depends on what EXT fight really, I've mainly done a lot of the recent EW ones and some SHB ones personally I remember them being somewhat hard, you certainly needed to watch a guide beforehand, a lot of the really older ones might be true?

That being said You can certainly still get stuck with a fight that would practically be impossible to explain everything from and Duty finder isn't really good for extremes, theirs not even a exterme roulette outside of mentor. It goes back to Duty finder not really being the best learning environment for harder content in the first place.

I am basing what I said on the EW trials. The first two were barely ex fights and neither of the other two have mechanics that someone aspiring to be a mentor should have trouble picking up.

[Rithy255]

I am basing what I said on the EW trials. The first two were barely ex fights and neither of the other two have mechanics that someone aspiring to be a mentor should have trouble picking up.

"difficulty of fights is easy" as a example I actually found the third EXT (of this expansion) pretty easy after watching the guide for a example, But I know if I was randomly yeeted into it right now I'd likely not have a clue what I'm doing and would likely want a quick reminder of the mechs, This is the issue with getting random harder content. (I haven't done EXT4 yet, not really interested in hard content right now).

but again, you should likely watch a guide and use party finder if you want to do a extreme. Random instances of Duty finder EXT should have nothing to do with being a Mentor really.

[LianaThorne]

I am basing what I said on the EW trials. The first two were barely ex fights and neither of the other two have mechanics that someone aspiring to be a mentor should have trouble picking up.

Not sure how you went across clearing the trials but if it was with randoms in PF you simply got really lucky that your group functioned as it should. It's not exactly common to get a first run clear that way outside of having a pre-formed group of people you know the skill level of.

[SaltyDaddy]

I think the issue with "mentor EXT" in current content is more that hardly anyone queue's for EXT using duty finder, Party finders system is much better for hardcore content because you need to normally watch a guide or know what you're doing, you will likely not clear if you go in blind unless you're in a static... Maybe some extremes but they're varied in difficulty, people saying you should have know how to clear every extreme, all the details off by memory doesn't understand that's not even realistic for most players, EXT's for the most part need preparation for the fight, I don't know how anyone would even expect your most hardcore raiders to be able to understand all the extremes just off by memory from clearing them once...?

I personally think Mentors shouldn't have much to do with "harder content" in general, it's pretty quick and easy for someone to explain basics about a lot of normal content, with extremes and savage you shouldn't really expect everyone to explain every mech to you, you should either look at a guide and go use party finder or find a group to do it blind with. I just don't know what people really expect of mentors if they think they're able to explain every mech of every EXT fight.

I will end off by saying the mentor system could do with some updating, But I think obviously mentors should be able to explain pretty well known and normal things they're not meant to be this all knowing being who performs everything at a perfect level. I personally think a lot of people expect mentors never to make mistakes or understand every mech of every fight, I'll add that I think Mentors should try to be responsible and give advice if someone asks.

Remember that Free 2 Play characters cant make PFs. So only way they can get in without being invited is to quee using Duty Finder.

[Rithy255]

Remember that Free 2 Play characters cant make PFs. So only way they can get in without being invited is to quee using Duty Finder.

Well they should be able to use party finder then? sounds like a good solution to me.

[LianaThorne]

Well they should be able to use party finder then? sounds like a good solution to me.

Negative. Can only join parties if invited, otherwise they're stuck with DF.

Source (Free To Play Terms):
Free Trial Players can join a party if invited or by using the Duty Finder but cannot assemble a party during the Free Trial.

[SaltyDaddy]

Well they should be able to use party finder then? sounds like a good solution to me.

And it would instantly be filled by bots selling gold. We cant win this fight.

[Rithy255]

Negative. Can only join parties if invited, otherwise they're stuck with DF.

Source (Free To Play Terms):
Free Trial Players can join a party if invited or by using the Duty Finder but cannot assemble a party during the Free Trial.

I know it's negative, I meant that they should allow players to, please look at what I'm responding to.

And it would instantly be filled by bots selling gold. We cant win this fight.

The point is, if you queue up even using "Duty finder" EXT you know what you're queuing for you (hopefully) would at least watched a guide, while a mentor queueing into a random roul EXT shouldn't be expected to remember what to do on each and every EXT fight in the game, I don't know what people really expect of mentors lol.

If we want to go onto the hill that Mentors should know and remember every EXT fight then we would and should make it mandatory to clear every extreme un-synched in the game as a mentor we should make it known that to be a proper mentor you need to do harder content. (right now you can never touch harder content and have a crown). But I don't really think it's realistic honestly.

[VerdeLuck]

The part of mentor roulette where it has so many duties is the point. Mentors already abuse the system to try to get as many easy duties as possible on their way to the mount, giving them a guaranteed way to get it while never having to actually pop any underplayed duties would defeat the whole purpose of the queue.

Letting free trial players make PFs is a no go. It won't happen. It was removed because of the RMT ad spam from f2p characters that would get made, get banned for advertising clear sales, then come back in a new trial account. There's a reason the restriction is there.

Also EX content is not actually that hard. Old fights up to stormood have single digit numbers of mechanics to learn with the exception of nidhogg and I've cleared that in DF just fine before. Mentors just love to complain about getting alliance raids, ex fights, and msq because it hurts their speed farming for the mount and titles. Then they wonder why mentors get a bad name when most of the experiences people have with them are either abandoning at the start of duties or rushing everyone through for more roulette completions.