More Healing (specific) Classes

[AmyNeudaiz]

FFXIV actually doesn't need a second healer class. At least, not right now.

The question is "What would this new job do that WHM cannot?", and there isn't really a lot that they can do. WHM already gets two tiers of cures, an area of effect cure, and a heal over time. A lot of the responses people are giving are things like "Make a hybrid class that heals, like RDM or SCH from FFXI." Thing is though, we already have those.

Uhh, decent dps for one? Whm can't do decent dps and no, we don't have a real job that has a decent ability to heal and maintain dps, if you say Brd I may resort to violence. Brd -can not- heal well whatsoever, I'm sorry but 300 per cure is a joke.

How would a RDM differ from a paladin with cure set in any way? How is Scholar any different than a thaumaturge with cure set? Being a healer is mostly about that one ability. True, a marauder using cure isn't going to be as effective as a white mage, but anyone who thinks that a hybrid should heal as well as the best healer needs to have their head examined.

Again, dps. Pld can't dps and Pld also can't really heal well seeing as it has such a small MP pool and it's main source of getting MP back is by tanking which it can't do if it's pretending to be a Rdm.

[Urthdigger]

I'm sorry but 300 per cure is a joke.

And therein lies the heart of the matter. So long as WHM heals for better than whatever healer comes out, people are going to want the WHM over it. If it heals better than WHM, then it invalidates WHM.

Another thing to keep in mind with the frequent hybrid idea is that you'll most likely wind up with something that deals damage like a PLD and heals like a BRD. Or, at the very least, people will assume it does.

[AmyNeudaiz]

And therein lies the heart of the matter. So long as WHM heals for better than whatever healer comes out, people are going to want the WHM over it. If it heals better than WHM, then it invalidates WHM.

Another thing to keep in mind with the frequent hybrid idea is that you'll most likely wind up with something that deals damage like a PLD and heals like a BRD. Or, at the very least, people will assume it does.

A cure for 1000 like Pld would more be what a DPS/Healer should have. You really don't get what the people who want hybrids want I guess, not a replacement for Whm but a DPS that is able to assist the party. Typically this means a lower mana pool, refresh capability of MP reduced (weapon out = almost no refresh) all while putting up with dealing damage and being smart enough to not take hate with their version of cures. Brd can not do this, it is completely ineffective with cures and its dps is laughable to other jobs. Trust me, I played a lot of Brd before I got tired of doing crap damage and not being able to cure effectively.

[Urthdigger]

A cure for 1000 like Pld would more be what a DPS/Healer should have. You really don't get what the people who want hybrids want I guess, not a replacement for Whm but a DPS that is able to assist the party. Typically this means a lower mana pool, refresh capability of MP reduced (weapon out = almost no refresh) all while putting up with dealing damage and being smart enough to not take hate with their version of cures. Brd can not do this, it is completely ineffective with cures and its dps is laughable to other jobs. Trust me, I played a lot of Brd before I got tired of doing crap damage and not being able to cure effectively.

I do understand what people who want hybrids want to have. I also know that the closest they'll get is Paladin. Yes, I know Paladin supposedly has shitty DPS. There's a reason why people in MMOs have a tendency to stack a single class, like black mages. It's because people would rather find the best job for a given specific role, and just that role. People in MMOs don't generally tend to trust each other. In a random pickup group, would you want your healer to be on a class that doesn't heal as well, and pray that he remembers to actually heal the party while he's trying to boost his epeen numbers DPSing? Or would you rather he come as a healer and focus on that role?

A prime example of the issue with such a hybrid class would be Red Mage from FFXI. Now, I know what you're thinking, people loved RDM, but you need to look at the reason WHY. RDM was designed as a hybrid class, able to melee, heal, and nuke. Instead, you never saw RDMs nuke, or melee, you only saw them heal because stats meant jack for healing (See also how bard and summoner were used as healers) and they had refresh. It didn't matter if you knew you could outdamage the thief, lolrdmmelee.

Also, go give THM with cure a shot, assuming you allocated to INT and MND. Sounds like a decent DPS/cure combo.

[AmyNeudaiz]

I do understand what people who want hybrids want to have. I also know that the closest they'll get is Paladin. Yes, I know Paladin supposedly has shitty DPS. There's a reason why people in MMOs have a tendency to stack a single class, like black mages. It's because people would rather find the best job for a given specific role, and just that role. People in MMOs don't generally tend to trust each other. In a random pickup group, would you want your healer to be on a class that doesn't heal as well, and pray that he remembers to actually heal the party while he's trying to boost his epeen numbers DPSing? Or would you rather he come as a healer and focus on that role?

A prime example of the issue with such a hybrid class would be Red Mage from FFXI. Now, I know what you're thinking, people loved RDM, but you need to look at the reason WHY. RDM was designed as a hybrid class, able to melee, heal, and nuke. Instead, you never saw RDMs nuke, or melee, you only saw them heal because stats meant jack for healing (See also how bard and summoner were used as healers) and they had refresh. It didn't matter if you knew you could outdamage the thief, lolrdmmelee.

Also, go give THM with cure a shot, assuming you allocated to INT and MND. Sounds like a decent DPS/cure combo.

I really think they can pull off hybrid jobs a lot better in 2.0 than they did with XI. Besides, what is the harm in having more playstyles? As is we're stuck with just Whm heal, War tank, Blm DD and everything else being considered inefficient because there are lacking pieces of the puzzle (and balance issues, but that's another topic). And I tried Thm with cure before and again it wasn't all that good.
Whm being a better healer so you only need 1 main healer and a back up healer isn't a bad idea and opens the door to other possibilities like having a Pld and a Rdm assist one Whm heal while doing their other jobs while also opening the door to melee DD's who take damage in fights making for similar dps output to just 2 Whm's doing all the healing and the rest being 1 war and all pure ranged DD. It only opens the door to more possibilities of play style.
But if you're just one who doesn't like change and wants everything to stay the same forever then just say so I'll just ignore this thread from now on.