Petition: Add Eureka Level Sync

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It's nice on paper, but I can imagine they will nerf the experience gained from mobs because as of the now the known cheese strat levels you -ridiculously fast-, I kid you not (power leveled a friend from fresh to lv60 in 3 days this way.)

So to illustrate... i.e. currently without cheese means you gain 50 per step vs cheesing gaining you 1000 per step... the new 'adjusted' system gain will be standardized into 500 per step regardless of what you do except afking.

If that sort of change came to be, I imagine that will upset the ones who learned how to capitalize the cheesing strat... but make newer people happier, I guess? Then again it's an old content.

[R041]

That's not how the zone was designed and they're not about to go back and change it because years later a handful of people want a friend to help them. The grind isn't that bad if you just follow the challenge log. Going beyond that is an actual waste of time.

That is in-fact how the zones were designed. The Challenge Log wasn't the only way, it just helps you determine certain farm spots. It all encourages collaboration for exp and NM Spawns. The only problem is the starting levels in each zone don't have enough players for coop. The system is literally designed for someone to tank with Elemental Def, and others to DPS, while maintaining continuous pulls for combo exp. Doing this solo is very difficult.

Eureka wasn't designed around playing solo just to do the challenge log. If that's actually how you played it, I'm sorry and that sounds kinda sad. It tries very hard to discourage solo-play in fact. lol

It's nice on paper, but I can imagine they will nerf the experience gained from mobs because as of the now the known cheese strat levels you -ridiculously fast-, I kid you not (power leveled a friend from fresh to lv60 in 3 days this way.)
So to illustrate... i.e. currently without cheese means you gain 50 per step vs cheesing gaining you 1000 per step... the new 'adjusted' system gain will be standardized into 500 per step regardless of what you do except afking.
If that sort of change came to be, I imagine that will upset the ones who learned how to capitalize the cheesing strat... but make newer people happier, I guess? Then again it's an old content.

You don't need the cheese, playing normally with 2 players is good enough to 1-60 in 3 days. It's just trying to get 2 people at the same exact level isn't an easy thing to do. 'Cheese Strat' isn't even better, it's risky and only really beneficial as a solo player. We tried multiple cheese methods just to see how well they worked, and ultimately just ended up doing things normally by maintaining the combo on mobs that were 2-3 levels higher than us, and focusing on group types that could transform.

Which is why we propose a sync.

Also they already did modify the Eureka experience with Echo, and gave everyone mounts. They've changed how the zones work multiple times, they can continue to do it.


This is exactly what I'm talking about - It's clear people don't understand how Eureka works, and if they just had level sync to properly play together before max level in each zone they would actually understand and appreciate this.

[VerdeLuck]

This is exactly what I'm talking about - It's clear people don't understand how Eureka works, and if they just had level sync to properly play together before max level in each zone they would actually understand and appreciate this.

Why do you think there's a line of people just waiting to carry new players through Anemos if only they were able to level sync? There's no incentive to go back through this content even with a sync and it's not like people are exactly lining up for it.
What's so special about enforcing the hard rules about there needing to be dozens of players to make the content work? Why not just make it easier to solo if that's the reality of how people are forced to play the content?

[R041]

Why do you think there's a line of people just waiting to carry new players through Anemos if only they were able to level sync? There's no incentive to go back through this content even with a sync and it's not like people are exactly lining up for it.
What's so special about enforcing the hard rules about there needing to be dozens of players to make the content work? Why not just make it easier to solo if that's the reality of how people are forced to play the content?

Would be nice if solo was easier - But the content as a whole doesn't incentivize it at all. I could maybe see this being possible if they doubled the Element bonuses and you could stack DEF and ATK so you can pull groups and tank. But as it currently stands you have to do one or the other, and it's very difficult to maintain chains, or spawn NMs solo.

I personally really like the coop incentives, and I'm getting a little sick of everything being turned into single-player content. So at least this way we can have the coop incentive AND have an easier way of bringing new players into the instance.

A lot of people DO want to run Eureka, they just.. Can't unless there's other people with them their exact level, so they're kinda stuck doing Challenge Log. I'd love to be able to help people without cheese, to actually spawn NMs AND get them exp for it. But as it currently stands, it's one or the other, not both.

And you don't need a "Line of people waiting to carry" - At least give us a system so they can ask for a party regardless of level and get something out of it.

[Magikazam]

Why do you think there's a line of people just waiting to carry new players through Anemos if only they were able to level sync? There's no incentive to go back through this content even with a sync and it's not like people are exactly lining up for it.
What's so special about enforcing the hard rules about there needing to be dozens of players to make the content work? Why not just make it easier to solo if that's the reality of how people are forced to play the content?

Adding this feature wont stop players from doing the solo experience. The only thing that change is that now you can do it with friends. Who forced you to play the content solo too? there alway was people doing fate train when I farmed Eureka earlier in 2022.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]You don't need the cheese, playing normally with 2 players is good enough to 1-60 in 3 days. It's just trying to get 2 people at the same exact level isn't an easy thing to do. 'Cheese Strat' isn't even better, it's risky and only really beneficial as a solo player. We tried multiple cheese methods just to see how well they worked, and ultimately just ended up doing things normally by maintaining the combo on mobs that were 2-3 levels higher than us, and focusing on group types that could transform.

Which is why we propose a sync.

How is choosing the appropriate NM to spawn to abuse the lv sync with is “isn’t easy thing to do”? Or are we even thinking about the same ‘cheese strat’?

[R041]

How is choosing the appropriate NM to spawn to abuse the lv sync with is “isn’t easy thing to do”? Or are we even thinking about the same ‘cheese strat’?

Abuse the level sync? I don't know what you mean, but I'll try my best..

Leveling and NM prep groups are separated for the most part and most players are either doing NM prep or bunnies, so you can join a prep group but you'll almost never get exp unless they're within 2 levels from you. It's common for all of the NM prep groups to be max level for that zone. Sometimes NM groups take up good exp spots so you need to leave. You can only form a prep group for exp if you manage every player and kick them as soon as they level above the rest. Even exp groups need to cull often. Kicking players to keep group exp optimal feels bad, because 1 player that levels above the range can cut your exp by basically half.

Also there are like 4 different 'cheese strats', some depend on specific groups of mobs, some are best solo, some require a high level friend. But ultimately they gain at roughly the same or worse rate as 2 players at the same level killing things optimally - Where 1 is a tank and the other DPS or Heal, by keeping chains up 1-5lv above you, and ideally have a chance to mutate. The 'cheese' isn't really getting you amazing exp, it's just to let you solo better, or play with a higher level friend.

2 players doing DPS and pulling massive groups is much quicker than the cheese of 1 DPS getting healed by their buddy. lol

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Abuse the level sync? I don't know what you mean, but I'll try my best..[...]

Okay, so I was thinking something different. Thank you for clarifying that \o/

What I had in mind was to have the group prep an NM in appropriate level range. Let's say, newcomer is a lv8 in Anemos and the friend is a capped lv60 in Eureka:

• The group can pick any NM that syncs the helper friend within 8 level in difference vs the newcomer.
• Once the NM spawns, instead of killing off the NM, let the helper gather up mobs -around- the NMs instead while making sure the mobs aren't anywhere higher than 8 levels vs the newcomer; I find 4-6 higher levels are the sweet number. But sometimes even 1-2 or 7-8 higher levels in difference are still faster than any other cheese strats I've read due to sheer number of mobs you can pull and easily kill.
• Drop those mobs down to critical HP then hit that "Lv Sync" before finishing off the pull while making sure both helper and newcomer can see each other's name in party list lights up.

I'm not entirely sure how your DC's NM etiquette works. Over here if you're the prepper, the group have roughly 3 minutes before the NM is pulled provided the PT is being called, and additional 1-2 minute before the NM dies. This is plenty of time for a massive experience gain. No deleveling or exiting party required. One-two levels per NM is almost guaranteed; more if the helper is uberly geared with elemental bonus items unless the NM is pulled early for whatever reason. Bunny FATE is also available for the abuse if they're around & will not disrupt anybody in the zone.

The only downside to this is if you happened to zone in into juiced instance with no appropriate NMs left spawn. But between Anemos' least activeness and the other 3 zones providing bunny FATEs, I find that particular situation is rather... uncommon. There's always at least 1 FATE that can be used to abuse the lv sync.

EDIT: In other day I found somebody shouting in Pagos about leaving the lv25 NM alone to facilitate this abuse and the zone complies. They took their sweet 10 minutes before eventually decided they've had enough. While I think this is also viable, I'm not quite a fan of holding the NM on hostage, but I guess it also worked... not something I'd do though, hence my 3-5 minutes limitations.

[R041]

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Oh okay I got you! I did my Eureka runs in Aether, the etiquette was essentially as you say it, but we never did the 'Lv Sync' trick you're talking about with the NMs themselves except for some specific NM cheese for Light farm. That one's actually new to me! I think it might require too many braincells for Aether. lol

As a solo player, you can wait for NM pop - But problem I found was the first half of the levels in each zone you're mostly left out. Hydatos doesn't have it so bad because the zone is open* and high levels are near base, so you can just sit at base and as a low level people are OK with you waiting for NM pop. This issue is especially bad in Pagos & Pyros because your selection is slim and travel is too slow/dangerous.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Oh okay I got you! I did my Eureka runs in Aether, the etiquette was essentially as you say it, but we never did the 'Lv Sync' trick you're talking about with the NMs themselves except for some specific NM cheese for Light farm. That one's actually new to me! I think it might require too many braincells for Aether. lol

As a solo player, you can wait for NM pop - But problem I found was the first half of the levels in each zone you're mostly left out. Hydatos doesn't have it so bad because the zone is open* and high levels are near base, so you can just sit at base and as a low level people are OK with you waiting for NM pop. This issue is especially bad in Pagos & Pyros because your selection is slim and travel is too slow/dangerous.

All's good, glad to share the tricks.

For first half of the levels each zone, I find this is only an issue for Anemos specifically because they don't have constant supply of low lv range of NM/FATE while the other 3 zones have virtually 100% active bunny FATE around. In Pagos, it's very easy to power level folks quickly from 17 to 24 around the south bunny FATE. From that point, the newbie friend only have to gain 3 levels elsewhere to reach lv27, which again puts them within the eligible lv range to receive experience from their lv35 helper friend's kills.

Pyros is no different except with the added icing: logos actions, which gives more power to solo player to make their lives easier (Platebearer and Bloodbath says hello). South bunny fate lv sync can be used to easily bring the newcomer lv to 38-39 range. After that they just have to gain 2-3 additional levels to reach lv41 which puts them in eligible range to yet another cheese strat: reflect cheese up to lv50. Or 60 even if you want to count Hydatos' because the entire lv range of Hydatos can also be cheesed with reflects.

The reason why I think they will nerf the experience gain from mob should permanent level sync became a thing is because that's essentially making the experience gain akin to the rate of reflect cheese at Pyros/Hydatos available virtually -anywhere- within Eureka, and I'm sure people know just how ridiculously fast reflect cheese method is to level up.