Wait a sec... Let me get this straight...

[buritoslicer]

Because we want SE to make Warrior deal insane damage and tank well with very little effort... Great idea bro. Paladin also got a bit of a buff with the changes, it's just that Warrior is still an easy class to tank as, it is sickening. I feel things are just about right, with the exception of the miss rate melee classes have to deal with.

Let's just put the warrior job in it's place as a trash mob/secondary tank and we'll have more variety in dungeon runs. I might sound a bit harsh.. but it's only because I'm very sensitive about this subject.

[SirThesd]

Because we want SE to make Warrior deal insane damage and tank well with very little effort... Great idea bro. Paladin also got a bit of a buff with the changes, it's just that Warrior is still an easy class to tank as, it is sickening. I feel things are just about right, with the exception of the miss rate melee classes have to deal with.

Let's just put the warrior job in it's place as a trash mob/secondary tank and we'll have more variety in dungeon runs. I might sound a bit harsh.. but it's only because I'm very sensitive about this subject.

I'll admit I want it to do DPS the most, but only 1 GLA i've ever met (Yes Gladiator, not Paladin) could keep hate off me in full tilt...
PLD needs more of an Innate emnity buff... some how.
I'll leave it there before everyone starts acting like angry Zoo monkeys... ¬_¬

*Sidenote*
I'm Craving Burrito Sandwiches now, Thanks for that.

[Darkillumina]

Because we want SE to make Warrior deal insane damage and tank well with very little effort... Great idea bro. Paladin also got a bit of a buff with the changes, it's just that Warrior is still an easy class to tank as, it is sickening. I feel things are just about right, with the exception of the miss rate melee classes have to deal with.

Let's just put the warrior job in it's place as a trash mob/secondary tank and we'll have more variety in dungeon runs. I might sound a bit harsh.. but it's only because I'm very sensitive about this subject.

A bit old but trash mob tanking is useless at this point in time in the game. In every CC/AV run most people just burn down the groups as fast as possible with sleep/aoe combo's. Having a job devoted to that is having a job that won't be played.

I like where the tanks are right now. If you're open minded and willing to switch you will find situations where PLD is superior to WAR and vice-versa. On chimera for instance I use PLD which Out parses a warrior tank. The only buffs I would add in at this point is to bump PLD's initial hate generation capabilities with a skill like antagonize, while buffing rampage back to its old timer but still keeping the parry + effect and speed effect.

[Searious]

Because we want SE to make Warrior deal insane damage and tank well with very little effort... Great idea bro. Paladin also got a bit of a buff with the changes, it's just that Warrior is still an easy class to tank as, it is sickening. I feel things are just about right, with the exception of the miss rate melee classes have to deal with.

Let's just put the warrior job in it's place as a trash mob/secondary tank and we'll have more variety in dungeon runs. I might sound a bit harsh.. but it's only because I'm very sensitive about this subject.

Why are plds always such crybabies when there's another tank alternative? When every there's another tank you can be sure Paladins will be crying for them to be nerfed. Even in FF11. "Oh Noes ppl r inviting Ninjas! It take more than 5 mins to get a prty invite now.

[buritoslicer]

Why are plds always such crybabies when there's another tank alternative? When every there's another tank you can be sure Paladins will be crying for them to be nerfed. Even in FF11. "Oh Noes ppl r inviting Ninjas! It take more than 5 mins to get a prty invite now.

I'm not QQ'ing about anything. I think warrior is a nice class, a great side tank/trash tank. But Paladin is better in most situations tanking wise, Better survivability and more group support (my health is 300 hp behind a decent warriors so no low health argument is valid). Please take note Paladin isn't my only class, as I have warrior at 50 and I use that job too when situations require.

So tell me, how am I being a crybaby Mr. Lancer? Tell me how your expertise in Archery and Lancer make your argument valid? Do you even have your tank classes up? DO YOU EVEN TANK? I don't think so. You should have kept quiet in a discussion about tanking.

[Searious]

I'm not QQ'ing about anything. I think warrior is a nice class, a great side tank/trash tank. But Paladin is better in most situations tanking wise, Better survivability and more group support (my health is 300 hp behind a decent warriors so no low health argument is valid). Please take note Paladin isn't my only class, as I have warrior at 50 and I use that job too when situations require.

So tell me, how am I being a crybaby Mr. Lancer? Tell me how your expertise in Archery and Lancer make your argument valid? Do you even have your tank classes up? DO YOU EVEN TANK? I don't think so. You should have kept quiet in a discussion about tanking.

Do I even tank? DO YOU EVEN READ? I don't think so. I wasn't talking about the technical aspects of tanking. Or even tanking in general really. I'm commenting on Paladins constantly crying about other tanks. How does that require any tanking experience? I only need to be able to read forum post of Paladins crying for that. Back in FFXI it was Paladins crying about Ninjas. Now it's Paladins crying about Warriors. If they add another tanking class later Paladins will probably cry about them too. That's not knowledge you need to level a tank class for. Go workin on your reading comprehension skills please. Get those up to 50 next.

[Aceofspades]

Do I even tank? DO YOU EVEN READ? I don't think so. I wasn't talking about the technical aspects of tanking. Or even tanking in general really. I'm commenting on Paladins constantly crying about other tanks. How does that require any tanking experience? I only need to be able to read forum post of Paladins crying for that. Back in FFXI it was Paladins crying about Ninjas. Now it's Paladins crying about Warriors. If they add another tanking class later Paladins will probably cry about them too. That's not knowledge you need to level a tank class for. Go workin on your reading comprehension skills please. Get those up to 50 next.

lmfao, yes, to comment on a class/job , whatever the comment may be about, it would be vital for anyone to know wtf they are talking about, wich you apreantly do not. You obviously bit off more then you can chew, how bout we give you a mulligan and let you delte this thread. But I promise, if you insist on this rant in wich you are completely clueless as to what you talking about, it will not go your way.

[Searious]

Oh no not you too. You would have a point if I was commenting on the class/job itself and not certain players who play the class instead. I wasn't so you don't. In my original post I never said whether I agreed or disagreed with Burrito Slicer's complaint about Warrior. I'm talking about seeing paladins complain for years and years and you're acting like I'm trying to discuss the finer points of tanking. The only thing leveling the class would do in this particular situation is maybe give me more insight on why people are crybabies in the first place. That was the reason I posted the question in the first place. What's going to happen now? You two are going to type at me at all caps?

[Judge_Xero]

The only thing leveling the class would do in this particular situation is maybe give me more insight on why people are crybabies in the first place. That was the reason I posted the question in the first place. What's going to happen now? You two are going to type at me at all caps?

Not sure about how FFXI was. But for FFXIV the reason for the QQing was because PLD was more difficult to use as a tank. Most of the complaining seemed to come from Warriors that were trying out Paladin. They realized that Warrior as it was, was so much easier to Tank with, and due to the complaining of it "sucking", many decent Paladins were left out of parties.

Now with the adjustments, forums, and practice, people are realizing Paladin and Warrior are both effective, and each slightly better in their own situations.

The complaining stems from good Paladins getting shafted in parties because of the mindset that Paladin sucks. Which is perfectly understandable, because why would a PUG take a chance that a PLD may not be good, when 9/10 WAR's get the job done.

I'm glad that's all in the wind now.

[Aceofspades]

Oh no not you too. You would have a point if I was commenting on the class/job itself and not certain players who play the class instead. I wasn't so you don't. In my original post I never said whether I agreed or disagreed with Burrito Slicer's complaint about Warrior. I'm talking about seeing paladins complain for years and years and you're acting like I'm trying to discuss the finer points of tanking. The only thing leveling the class would do in this particular situation is maybe give me more insight on why people are crybabies in the first place. That was the reason I posted the question in the first place. What's going to happen now? You two are going to type at me at all caps?

I find it humorous that you don't see the logic in knowing what your talking about, and then complaining about "people complaining" You want to know why PLDs on ffxiv are complaining yet you never lvled the class? wich , from your first post dosent seem like that was even the question you were asking. It apeared as tho you were complaining yourself, about how you feel SE gimped war and seem to place the blame on PLDs "crying" on the forums, yet the whole time SE intended to change WAR simply because it was OP, and for SE to admit that a job is OP means alot. Soo in response to your blatenly obvious atempt to deflect your moronic motive for this thread, I have only to say, if you wanted to know why SE "gimped" war, then you missed out on your chance to find that out when you didn't lvl either war or pld. Dont blame others because you feel SE made unfair changes to a job or class you feel was undeserved of changes. No amounts of crying done on the forums will change aspects crucial to job balance within the game. Yoshi has a mind for these kinds of things and Im certain he can figure it out and make the decisions without anyones crying, including yours. What did you think you were going to acomplish? "yoshi, you changed wars because of cry babbies, and soo now im gona cry on forums soo you will change it back" , somthing like that? First thing you need to do before you start posting is getting a clue.