Respect the pull timer.

[Kolaina]

My edited point addresses the whole benefit of the doubt thing.

"I can respect that, personally not a fan of giving someone a pass because the content can be done with only two people. Just because something is easy does not mean a player should get a pass imo. That said, if they spoke up this would not have been an issue, for whatever reason any lack of communion shows they do nor respect the time of others. As stated a console player easily could have macros setup, sure it would take time out to setup said macros without a keyboard but it is a one and done thing. Have ones that say they are on console with no keyboard, that they are new, that they would like explanations etc . . . may take a couple of hours but hey once your done your done. If they cannot be bothered to make an attempt, I cannot be bothered to give them the benefit of the doubt and simply let it slide."

Goes both ways I should not be pressured to be patient, and more understanding.

Again, and last time as it’s going to continue to be back and forth between us. A person is not obligated to speak to you. It’s not because they don’t respect you or your time. Some people just don’t want to be social. Some may not see the justification in purchasing a keyboard to be social when they aren’t playing a game for that reason. Just because you have a keyboard and want to talk or deem it necessary for a person to explain why they made any mistake to you, does not mean they see it that way.

People may not respond for many reasons. Could be an introvert. Maybe they don’t speak a certain language. Or they could be illiterate. I’ve played with a couple where the husband couldn’t read and his wife would speak for him if she was on.

You don’t know why people won’t talk. Nor is it necessarily your business. But because they don’t appease your standard for social interaction, you remove them.

[Bobby66]

Again, and last time as it’s going to continue to be back and forth between us. A person is not obligated to speak to you. It’s not because they don’t respect you or your time. Some people just don’t want to be social. Some may not see the justification in purchasing a keyboard to be social when they aren’t playing a game for that reason. Just because you have a keyboard and want to talk or deem it necessary for a person to explain why they made any mistake to you, does not mean they see it that way.

People may not respond for many reasons. Could be an introvert. Maybe they don’t speak a certain language. Or they could be illiterate. I’ve played with a couple where the husband couldn’t read and his wife would speak for him if she was on.

You don’t know why people won’t talk. Nor is it necessarily your business. But because they don’t appease your standard for social interaction, you remove them.

Then it is fair to say I am not obligated to play with them, so what exactly is your issue? If they are not obligated to do something to appease others, why should I be obligated to do something to appease others? Also, has less to do with my standards for social interactions, idc if someone does not talk, but if they start to screw up and we as a group ask if everything is okay and get no response at that point it is direct negative impact on the other three people in the group. I rather say shit in dungeons, often not even a hello, but if I am new to something I let the group know right off the rip, so they can curb their expectations. Has less to do with a social standard, or more so simply being considerate to the three, or seven other people in the group. Though that is the issue I have noticed in FFXIV, for some reason the needs of the minatory seem to have greater value then the majority if the group simply because the content is easier.

As you said sure they may not respond for different reasons and that is fine, but when a person starts to make mistakes that end up costing others time, do not be shocked if being silent gets one removed especially if the group knows the silent one is making the mistake.

While, I would not remove a player for being new, if a group wanted to remove me for being new I would not have an issue. Not everyone is entitled to the time of others.

[Nyxs]

Again, and last time as it’s going to continue to be back and forth between us. A person is not obligated to speak to you. It’s not because they don’t respect you or your time. Some people just don’t want to be social. Some may not see the justification in purchasing a keyboard to be social when they aren’t playing a game for that reason. Just because you have a keyboard and want to talk or deem it necessary for a person to explain why they made any mistake to you, does not mean they see it that way.

People may not respond for many reasons. Could be an introvert. Maybe they don’t speak a certain language. Or they could be illiterate. I’ve played with a couple where the husband couldn’t read and his wife would speak for him if she was on.

You don’t know why people won’t talk. Nor is it necessarily your business. But because they don’t appease your standard for social interaction, you remove them.

Actually its a mmorpg so you do have to be social as you are queuing to do content with people. Get your weird antisocial behaviour off of a mmorpg if you dont like it or dont use df. Also, If you have extreme personal reasons to not be able to do content then get people who are patient to do it your way or a pf stating as such so you arent being rude to randoms.