Void Quests and Endwalker Patches

[Tsiron]

... are we really going to get through the current storyline while the Void Quests crew in the First just... stands there?

I know (and was very happy) that Unukalhai and Cylva had updated dialogue at the end of 6.2, but it feels like such a shame they can't be involved more, locked as they are behind such a laundry list of requirements...

And yet, I can't come up with a solution. I think the requirements make sense, and are great in their own right! But a lot of players would probably be quite unhappy if they suddenly were forced to complete Warring Triad, all of the ShB Role Quests and (if their 6.2 dialogue was a hint) the Eden Raids just to be able to progress MSQ...

They could unceremoniously just infodump about everyone involved in the codex they added in 6.1, but I don't know how I'd feel about that. What do you all think...?

[SannaR]

I don't think they will unless they pop them into the 13th in 6.3 or later as a hey we figured out our own way type thing. It's why we are getting a lot of info dump about voidsent and the 13th from Y'shtola and Zero ect for those who haven't done a capstone of a capstone. This is one of a few examples of things that bug me about the writing. Where even though I know why they don't mention things in side content unless it matters to the MSQ in some fashion and tend to spend so much time looking like they're retreading a lot of information.

[Cleretic]

Much more likely is that the Void Quests will get an update at some point after the MSQ's had a good sprint at it, and they'll progress in their own way. They can't demand everybody do all the role quests in Shadowbringers to continue the MSQ, that's completely unreasonable.

Something important to remember, though, is that they aren't doing the same things; the Void Quests are about trying to un-Void the Void, while the MSQ is more focused on understanding the Void and also overthrowing the tyrant in the middle of it. They both approve of each other, for sure, but they don't actually demand crossover.

I feel like you're trying to 'solve' what's not actually a problem. Cylva and Unukalhai are doing their own thing on their own terms, they don't need to turn up somewhere else to be 'legitimate'. This would be akin to if they set a story in Gridania and you demanded that the Bard Bros absolutely must turn up, even if the story itself doesn't involve their fields of interest at all.

[SannaR]

But but I need more sassy Bard boy and his slowly working that stick outta his bottom lancer friend. Along with Kan-E-Senna hinting at that she knows one of her guards has a crush on her if we get more Gridania... um what I meant is it would be nice if we got to see more progress of the 1st's void team and for them to be acknowledged by the MSQ, but as I said I don't hold out much hope.

[Tehmon]

This'd be an issue if the 13th became a bigger setting in the story, but I don't think it will, now or in the distant future. We will most likely be done with rescuing (or failing to rescue) Azdaja and dealing with Golbez in the next two patches, and then Zero, if she is still alive and kicking, will most likely stay behind to try and make the 13th her home again. Then can more content be added to the void questline as side content that will take into consideration what the MSQ has accomplished.

[Tsiron]

I don't think they will unless they pop them into the 13th in 6.3 or later as a hey we figured out our own way type thing. It's why we are getting a lot of info dump about voidsent and the 13th from Y'shtola and Zero ect for those who haven't done a capstone of a capstone. This is one of a few examples of things that bug me about the writing. Where even though I know why they don't mention things in side content unless it matters to the MSQ in some fashion and tend to spend so much time looking like they're retreading a lot of information.

Well, they'd definitely have the means to get in independently, thanks to Taynor and Unukalhai! Though lacking Warding Scales, any incursions would probably be ill-advised...

Y'shtola does (rather, can) bring up Unukalhai and you, Cylva, in 6.1. I know Cylva's is optional but I'm not sure if both are?

Much more likely is that the Void Quests will get an update at some point after the MSQ's had a good sprint at it, and they'll progress in their own way. They can't demand everybody do all the role quests in Shadowbringers to continue the MSQ, that's completely unreasonable.

Something important to remember, though, is that they aren't doing the same things; the Void Quests are about trying to un-Void the Void, while the MSQ is more focused on understanding the Void and also overthrowing the tyrant in the middle of it. They both approve of each other, for sure, but they don't actually demand crossover.

I feel like you're trying to 'solve' what's not actually a problem. Cylva and Unukalhai are doing their own thing on their own terms, they don't need to turn up somewhere else to be 'legitimate'. This would be akin to if they set a story in Gridania and you demanded that the Bard Bros absolutely must turn up, even if the story itself doesn't involve their fields of interest at all.

Trust you to be the voice of reason...

I suppose the conversation at the end of 6.2 was more "something to keep in mind for the future" than "this is going to be our immediate focus". Nothing to it but to keep waiting, I guess...

[Cassar]

Something important to remember, though, is that they aren't doing the same things; the Void Quests are about trying to un-Void the Void, while the MSQ is more focused on understanding the Void and also overthrowing the tyrant in the middle of it. They both approve of each other, for sure, but they don't actually demand crossover.

Didn't Y'shtola tell Zero at the end that they plan on restoring life on the 13th? The quote was "[...] Which gives me cause to hope there may be a way to restore Light and life to the Thirteenth." And then Varshahn continues "Restoring the Light would serve our efforts to find and free Azdaja. There is no reason not to try."
So yes, I think the MSQ also has plans on un-Voiding the 13th at some point, at which I think it would be odd not to mention Unukalhai. Maybe they'll make two slightly different variations of the cutscene - one in which you know him (if you did the Warring Triad) and one if you don't. I think this would be the first time they ever did this though but it was only a matter of time considering how many of these important sidequests we have.

[Luizgazen]

The problem with just infodumping the void quests into the MSQ at this point is that if you didn't do Warring Triad Unulkahai is still with the ascians, if you didn't do magical DPS ShB's role quests Traynor is still lost in the rift and if you didn't do all ShB's role quests Cylva is still hiding her identity and just living as a bartender...

[Cleretic]

Didn't Y'shtola tell Zero at the end that they plan on restoring life on the 13th? The quote was "[...] Which gives me cause to hope there may be a way to restore Light and life to the Thirteenth." And then Varshahn continues "Restoring the Light would serve our efforts to find and free Azdaja. There is no reason not to try."
So yes, I think the MSQ also has plans on un-Voiding the 13th at some point, at which I think it would be odd not to mention Unukalhai. Maybe they'll make two slightly different variations of the cutscene - one in which you know him (if you did the Warring Triad) and one if you don't. I think this would be the first time they ever did this though but it was only a matter of time considering how many of these important sidequests we have.

Yeah, that's sorta what I mean. The MSQ Crew would like to fix the Void, that'd generally help, but it's not priority #1, especially not right now. Meanwhile Cylva, Beq and Unukalhai are fully focused on that side of the problem.

My guess, the MSQ Crew will find something promising, but for whatever reason not be able to fully focus on it, so it gets handballed to CB&U who can run with it to its natural conclusion, possibly with the aid of one of the MSQ Crew. It lets both sides still do their thing without getting hamstrung by the fact that the people trying to un-Void the Void are off in their own silo.

And also that whatever fix they find is gonna be really slow, to allow for the game to still use voidsent when it needs to and not blatantly breaking the chronology if you go from completing these quests to, say, starting up Thaumaturge. It's basically an essential requirement for Reaper, since they literally will not function on a base level without voidsent.

[Enkidoh]

Not to mention all the ARR FATEs and quests that involve voidsent and the Void would suddenly be broken if the Void was 'fixed'.

Hence gameplay consistancy sadly prevents a complete restoration of the Void - the best that could probably be hoped for is a section is more or less restored as a 'beacon of Light in the Darkness', but otherwise the rest of the place remains more or less in darkness. That's just being realistic.