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    While we're at it, put stuff like Delubrum Reginae normal in the alliance raid roulette and have an npc at the start who just hands you essences for like 1 gil so people can get in there more and actually enjoy themselves playing the game mode and maybe help some first timers out too. "Just use discord" is such a lazy excuse for people to hand to square. They're a 2 billion dollar company that extracts your money every month, let THEM do the job of making their own content relevant again. Even when you put up a PF, assuming you can even get 8 people during primetime, you just wait in queue for 10 mandatory minutes, zone in, and wow wouldn't you know it. There's nobody else there. Imagine blowing money and devtime on content that you know is gonna be hella abandoned in like a year, when you could avoid that by just throwing it in the roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    While we're at it, put stuff like Delubrum Reginae normal in the alliance raid roulette and have an npc at the start who just hands you essences for like 1 gil so people can get in there more and actually enjoy themselves playing the game mode and maybe help some first timers out too.
    You could hand out the consumables for free and people would find a way to justify not using them. We'd be better off if they just dunked on the HP pools so bosses die in a more reasonable time frame. Keep twice-come-ruin cause it's a funny mechanic though. 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobostew View Post
    You could hand out the consumables for free and people would find a way to justify not using them. We'd be better off if they just dunked on the HP pools so bosses die in a more reasonable time frame. Keep twice-come-ruin cause it's a funny mechanic though. 8)
    I've actually given people essences to use when I hosted my own runs, and they used them. If tools are accessible, I think only the dumbest moron would be like "no thanks" (but yeah those people do exist, for sure)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    I've actually given people essences to use when I hosted my own runs, and they used them. If tools are accessible, I think only the dumbest moron would be like "no thanks" (but yeah those people do exist, for sure)
    I met one of those in the past, once. Funded their fragments lasting for possibly a month, then the next week of our DRn run they said they sold it because 'It doesn't do much anyway.'

    Since then, I prefer to just teach/guide people how to farm their own to give them a good start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I met one of those in the past, once. Funded their fragments lasting for possibly a month, then the next week of our DRn run they said they sold it because 'It doesn't do much anyway.'

    Since then, I prefer to just teach/guide people how to farm their own to give them a good start.
    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo View Post
    Had an experience where I farmed up fragments for newer folks for a couple of hours and they ended up selling them I never played with them again lol

    Sorry for your loss!
    Jesus, every time I'm optimistic about the community I read stories like these and remember why things are the way they are sometimes.
    We literally would get a dumbed down version of it, wouldn't we. They wouldn't trust us to use essences even if they were free, because people are too stupid to just read what they do and have fun with them.

    Either way though, would be dope if they added it to the alliance roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo View Post
    Had an experience where I farmed up fragments for newer folks for a couple of hours and they ended up selling them I never played with them again lol

    Sorry for your loss!
    By 'guiding', I mean I will assist them on their first frag farms while making sure they know how to do the same in the future. The frags they've amassed on that first time farm are theirs entirely, I don't care what they do with those. Either use them for themself 100%, sell 50% of them, or sell all of them, it's their right. I'm just content knowing that I've taught them the 'how'. If they still cry in the future well that's on them (gladly nobody that I've known does ... yet).

    I didn't do that on the anecdote I wrote and I regretted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    [...]Either way though, would be dope if they added it to the alliance roulette.
    While I would be happy to see more variety in AR roulette, I'm worried that to make it possible, they'll just outright remove the LA system, which is a major reason why I love running Eureka/BSF contents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    While I would be happy to see more variety in AR roulette, I'm worried that to make it possible, they'll just outright remove the LA system, which is a major reason why I love running Eureka/BSF contents.
    one way of addressing that would be to make a new roulette with DR and the Dalriada. That way, when you queue you know what to expect and can prepare adequately. I would definitely queue for that regularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    While we're at it, put stuff like Delubrum Reginae normal in the alliance raid roulette and have an npc at the start who just hands you essences for like 1 gil so people can get in there more and actually enjoy themselves playing the game mode and maybe help some first timers out too. "Just use discord" is such a lazy excuse for people to hand to square. They're a 2 billion dollar company that extracts your money every month, let THEM do the job of making their own content relevant again. Even when you put up a PF, assuming you can even get 8 people during primetime, you just wait in queue for 10 mandatory minutes, zone in, and wow wouldn't you know it. There's nobody else there. Imagine blowing money and devtime on content that you know is gonna be hella abandoned in like a year, when you could avoid that by just throwing it in the roulette.
    I think you'd cause more problems than you would solve because those are completely different formats of raids. Alliance Raids are much more structured and hold to roles more strictly. You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format. If they do anything, they should find a way to get the instances into DF for these zones and make a roulette of that. Then people aren't blindsided by something like DR where they queued as a healer but there are no tanks so now they're expected to take on a different role using Lost Actions they may or may not have any real understanding of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    I think you'd cause more problems than you would solve because those are completely different formats of raids. Alliance Raids are much more structured and hold to roles more strictly. You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format. If they do anything, they should find a way to get the instances into DF for these zones and make a roulette of that. Then people aren't blindsided by something like DR where they queued as a healer but there are no tanks so now they're expected to take on a different role using Lost Actions they may or may not have any real understanding of.
    I think providing essences to the player at the start of the run would solve a lot of these problems. If enough people kept doing it because it was in the roulette, I think the community would just figure out how to make it smooth. DRN isn't that hard. Failing that, the dutyfinder version of it could just stick to a more traditional 24-man party composition by forcing anyone who queues it through dutyfinder to have a typical party comp (i.e. no groups with 2 tanks, etc) and then grabbing parties in the same way it'd grab comps for any other 24man. Either way, at least people who want to do it would be able to just queue up, and the content barely anyone does would finally see some more play.

    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format.
    FWIW people get orbonne and leave because they want crystal tower, so my initial post was not overly concerned with appealing to people who queue a roulette with something specific in mind. With a full group using free damage essences, DRN would take like 20 minutes tops and drops rare jackpot items that are worth serious gil. I definitely won't speak for everyone, but I'd be queuing up the roulette and celebrating if I got DRN in that context.
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    Last edited by Avoidy; 01-28-2023 at 08:04 AM.

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