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    Add Eureka/Bozja to Daily Challenges Roulette

    Since we're not getting anything similar this expansion, this is a petition thread to request that all the Eureka and Bozja zones be added as a queue that rotates through each zone daily in the manner that frontlines currently does. One day it's Anemos, then next day it's Pagos, then Pyros, then Hydatos, then Southern Front and lastly Zadnor. Upon entering via the duty roulette queue, you get a short list of objectives to complete within the zone to recieve the reward as described further down in this post to increase zone activity and help newer players clearing the zone for the first time.

    *EDIT* I would like to further specify that this be an addition via the duty finder while not removing the existing manner of entering zones so new players doing these zones for the first time can still do these zones at their own pace. The goal is to revive activity in this content by funneling players via the duty finder into the existing zone instances. Thereby giving new players some days during the week where they can see the zones active as they originally were on launch and providing veterans rewards/achievement opportunities.*EDIT*

    I would also like to request that DR receives its own challenge roulette queue as it's required for Bozja completion, and it would greatly aid getting new players through the instances.


    For the Eureka zones, make the completion requirement somewhere between 6-8 FATEs per zone. This might require the spawn rate for FATEs to be adjusted.

    Since Bozja is a bit more developed than Eureka is in FATE department, make the completion requirement for Bozja Zones:

    Must complete two of the three objectives:
    5 Skirmishes
    3 Critical Engagements
    1 Castrum Lacus Litore/The Dalriada



    Upon completing the objectives, give the players the option to remain in the zone (to provide opportunities for people to commit to content like Baldesion Arsenal or Duels). Completion rewards should be something along the lines of:

    1. Large amount of instance related EXP
    2. Large amount of current job EXP
    3. Additional Eureka/Bozja Actions/Currencies/Eureka Experience/Mettle
    4. Tomestone currency based on your job level. (Including current end-game raid ones if on a max level job.)
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    Last edited by McChaffee; 01-30-2023 at 01:38 AM.

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    I like the idea. I'm for the addition if they ever add it.
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    Clink Stryphart
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    I need to run back in there one of these days to finish getting my last 2 notes for the mount and the titles. I do agree though they should add some sort of bonus.
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    Last edited by Clink; 01-02-2023 at 04:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McChaffee View Post
    Upon completing the objectives, give the players the option to remain in the zone (to provide opportunities for people to commit to content like Baldesion Arsenal or Duels). Completion rewards should be something along the lines of:

    1. Large amount of instance related EXP
    2. Large amount of current job EXP
    3. Additional Eureka/Bozja Actions/Currencies
    4. Tomestone currency based on your job level. (Including current end-game raid ones if on a max level job.)
    Zadnor already offers plenty already. End-game tomes aren't worth putting on there, as they cap easily. People have enough items and such to get. I think it just needs time to refill as many spent a lot of time in there during Shb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Zadnor already offers plenty already. End-game tomes aren't worth putting on there, as they cap easily. People have enough items and such to get. I think it just needs time to refill as many spent a lot of time in there during Shb.
    There's no reason not to include Zadnor in a queue if the rest of the zones get added into a queue since it falls into the same category as them and is a direct continuation of Southern Front which would be in the queue. There's also no reason not to include endgame tomestones as alliance raids fall into a similar queue niche of large scale PvE content and this would be similar. There's little to no incentive to step back into these zones after you complete the relevant story and received all the rewards you want; hence a daily roulette would be a great addition to bring back players who might not have touched it again. Furthermore, adding a queue like this could also be used to tie this content to moogle tomestone events. Which is just a huge net positive.

    I would also like to add, that SE has a bad track record of supporting zones like this. The Diadem was straight-up removed from the game and later added back in as a crafting zone because it was dead content. It would be good to have a rotating queue to keep all of these content areas active in general as there are some legitimately excellent encounters in these zones and their raids.
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    Last edited by McChaffee; 01-02-2023 at 07:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McChaffee View Post
    There's no reason not to include Zadnor in a queue if the rest of the zones get added into a queue since it falls into the same category as them and is a direct continuation of Southern Front which would be in the queue. There's also no reason not to include endgame tomestones as alliance raids fall into a similar queue niche of large scale PvE content and this would be similar. There's little to no incentive to step back into these zones after you complete the relevant story and received all the rewards you want; hence a daily roulette would be a great addition to bring back players who might not have touched it again. Furthermore, adding a queue like this could also be used to tie this content to moogle tomestone events. Which is just a huge net positive.

    I would also like to add, that SE has a bad track record of supporting zones like this. The Diadem was straight-up removed from the game and later added back in as a crafting zone because it was dead content. It would be good to have a rotating queue to keep all of these content areas active in general as there are some legitimately excellent encounters in these zones and their raids.
    People return to zones for items and to enjoy it all over again. There's little to further incentivize people imo.

    It's not just SE, but any developer will generally leave something like this alone after a new expansion drops. It's very inefficient to keep going back to these old projects while the players demand newer content.

    What happened with Diadem was unfortunate, but they were able to salvage it and make it into something better.

    Also, to address the idea of Duty Finder, I don't see them taking that approach with something like this. Anyone that actually wants to go to any of this content will specifically choose what it is they want to play. If they need more bodies, there are discord communities to find people to do this content. I don't want to see resources wasted in this manner and I'm sure they don't want to waste resources in this manner.

    These zones are meant to be played for an hour or two at a time. People have a hard enough time queueing for alliance roulette with the longer time spent in zone, they're definitely not going to queue for something like this. Furthermore, people can easily abandon the duty because there's no penalty for leaving if they don't get what they like.
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    100% support, should have been in there since inception.

    EXP til max rank then mettle after to incentivize.
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    I agree with Deveryn on this one. This doesn't incentivize Bozja/Zadnor content; it obligates those to run them who would otherwise not care to do so. Bozja/Zadnor was supposed to survive on its own merit. They put way too much time and effort into it to reduce it to a roulette chore.
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    Would make it easier to get parties so sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyAssassin View Post
    Would make it easier to get parties so sure
    Discord made it easier from the start. DC travel made it better since. Again, they shouldn't have to waste time and energy on something we can handle ourselves. If you still find yourself wanting to run this, there are surely enough like-minded people out there you can find before they could ever push an update.
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