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    stop take the skills in lower level content.

    it so unit fun i don't get how yoshi don't see it. getting any ting under lvl 50 at this point is close to unplayable. i don't understand why this need to be a thing when they can clearly downgrade the stats to the correct level. this need to be stopped as the more we go on and add new levels the less playable older content gets.
    before any one say "but then you be op and the content be to easy" the content wont be hard no meter what and games like GW2 and ESO some how doing this just fin. they don't take skills when they make you Mach the map level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magitekLuna View Post
    it so unit fun i don't get how yoshi don't see it. getting any ting under lvl 50 at this point is close to unplayable. i don't understand why this need to be a thing when they can clearly downgrade the stats to the correct level. this need to be stopped as the more we go on and add new levels the less playable older content gets.
    before any one say "but then you be op and the content be to easy" the content wont be hard no meter what and games like GW2 and ESO some how doing this just fin. they don't take skills when they make you Mach the map level.
    I get the gist of what you are saying although it was an effort to decipher. The work required to make this happen isn't worth the effort. I highly doubt the devs will waste the time necessary to placate the vocal few that want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    I get the gist of what you are saying although it was an effort to decipher. The work required to make this happen isn't worth the effort. I highly doubt the devs will waste the time necessary to placate the vocal few that want it.
    The problem is mostly noticed in lvl 50 content as some content is balanced to for example ilvl 90 yet accepts 130. And to a lesser degree also on lvl 60, as the relative stat boost between the min and max allowed ilvl is still a big diffirence percentage wise.

    While most content is still heavily outdated, restricting the ilvls here would help a lot. ilvl 80 content should for example only allow up to ilvl 100 (still a 25% stat boost) instead of 130 (which is 62.5%). Even this wont prevent skipping phases on some bosses (over time reworks etc still caused a power boost). But it at least should make a lot of the mechanics required to be performed again. And it should not be an issue either! These dungeons/raids were designed with a certain ilvl in mind, so that ilvl should work anyway. The 20 extra ilvls should on that be graceful enough.

    A quick fix that is partialy effective is still better than no fix. It highly unlikely some dungeons will become unplayable in difficulty from such change. And all that has to be tested for this purpose is running each dungeon at the min ilvl (which i suspect was already done during the stat squish).
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    Can't wait to do a lvl 90 rotation against a Lvl 10 Sastasha bat
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by magitekLuna View Post
    it so unit fun i don't get how yoshi don't see it. getting any ting under lvl 50 at this point is close to unplayable. i don't understand why this need to be a thing when they can clearly downgrade the stats to the correct level. this need to be stopped as the more we go on and add new levels the less playable older content gets.
    before any one say "but then you be op and the content be to easy" the content wont be hard no meter what and games like GW2 and ESO some how doing this just fin. they don't take skills when they make you Mach the map level.



    Gw2 has like, a total of 8 buttons to press. I don't k ow about ESO.



    Different combat systems for both though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magitekLuna View Post
    it so unit fun i don't get how yoshi don't see it. getting any ting under lvl 50 at this point is close to unplayable. i don't understand why this need to be a thing when they can clearly downgrade the stats to the correct level. this need to be stopped as the more we go on and add new levels the less playable older content gets.
    before any one say "but then you be op and the content be to easy" the content wont be hard no meter what and games like GW2 and ESO some how doing this just fin. they don't take skills when they make you Mach the map level.
    A.) Other games like GW2 have a very limited number of abilities to use, all of which are available (iirc) at the start. Adjusting the "potency" is more reasonable when there's only a small number of things to balance and everyone has access to them.

    B.) The biggest issue is things that can't be simply "potency-balanced." Tank A has a 10% reduction, a 20% reduction, and an invuln ability. Tank B only has the 10% reduction at their level. It is physically impossible to "balance" the additional abilities the higher-level tank has (you can't potency-scale invulnerability, for example). Or Healer A has a mix of single-target heals, AoE heals, and an "oh crud" button like Benediction. Healer B only has Cure 1. It's physically impossible to "balance" those (you can't potency-adjust an instant 100% heal, for example).

    C.) Remember, when you queue for roulettes that can give you lower-level dungeons/trials/etc., you're getting a reward (experience, tomestones, and the like) in exchange for helping newer players keep their own lower-level content relevant. Your main "purpose" in the scale of the game is helping a newer player by reverting to their experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    I get the gist of what you are saying although it was an effort to decipher. The work required to make this happen isn't worth the effort. I highly doubt the devs will waste the time necessary to placate the vocal few that want it.
    That wouldn't be 'wasted' time in the slightest in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    The problem is mostly noticed in lvl 50 content as some content is balanced to for example ilvl 90 yet accepts 130. And to a lesser degree also on lvl 60, as the relative stat boost between the min and max allowed ilvl is still a big diffirence percentage wise.

    While most content is still heavily outdated, restricting the ilvls here would help a lot. ilvl 80 content should for example only allow up to ilvl 100 (still a 25% stat boost) instead of 130 (which is 62.5%). Even this wont prevent skipping phases on some bosses (over time reworks etc still caused a power boost). But it at least should make a lot of the mechanics required to be performed again. And it should not be an issue either! These dungeons/raids were designed with a certain ilvl in mind, so that ilvl should work anyway. The 20 extra ilvls should on that be graceful enough.

    A quick fix that is partialy effective is still better than no fix. It highly unlikely some dungeons will become unplayable in difficulty from such change. And all that has to be tested for this purpose is running each dungeon at the min ilvl (which i suspect was already done during the stat squish).
    I wouldn't mind a change but I don't think it is a priority for the devs. It seems to me they are trying to take the game to the next level graphically in 7.0 so that will likely be their main focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    I get the gist of what you are saying although it was an effort to decipher. The work required to make this happen isn't worth the effort. I highly doubt the devs will waste the time necessary to placate the vocal few that want it.
    At a minimum they could put the lvl 30 ability on the Job Stone, it would give at least one decent skill in low level content and would incentivize people getting the advanced jobs.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanne View Post
    Can't wait to do a lvl 90 rotation against a Lvl 10 Sastasha bat
    and why not?
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