What if Support Role was Added to FFXIV?

[R041]

Im just echoing what the forums are basically saying really.

Because you're taking it as whining without trying to understand the context and are just stifling discussions. Other games can take feedback while still maintaining composure. Criticism for XIV doesn't hurt you personally, so why act like it does?

Maybe you need to take some feedback from yourself. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Community-Btw

[Atelier-Bagur]

Because you're taking it as whining without trying to understand the context and are just stifling discussions. Other games can take feedback while still maintaining composure. Criticism for XIV doesn't hurt you personally, so why act like it does?

where am I ever saying that we cant have discussions? I disagree with a lot of things people have with this game but never have I openly stated that they need to shut up, but Ive also openly shared my gripes with this game as well. Nothing is ever one note. A discussion is a discussion.

[R041]

where am I ever saying that we cant have discussions? I disagree with a lot of things people have with this game but never have I openly stated that they need to shut up, but Ive also openly shared my gripes with this game as well. Nothing is ever one note. A discussion is a discussion.

Your post history is riddled with ad-hominems - attacking and generalizing instead of replying to the actual comment's contents. You had an opportunity to reply to my post for discussion's sake, but chose to attack the forum and myself as you often do.

Then we'll get into an argument because I snap back. I'm not a better person. lol

I see you doing the same thing to multiple people in different threads right this second. It's like you think we're in forum pvp.

[dspguy]

ARR BRD was probably the closest to a support class we've had - well, maybe include AST back when the cards had specific bonuses.

ARR BRD could debuff enemy magic defense, they could restore TP or MP as well as movement speed out of battle. With changes they made to the game over the last near-decade, all that's left is movement speed. Honestly, BRD's support kit was still bad, but it was possibly the "best" FFXIV had to offer.

The holy trinity of roles simply doesn't allow for true support classes in this game - I'm talking about FFXI BRD or EQ1 BRD and Enchanter. Classes that focused mostly on buffing, debuffing and crowd control.

[Avoidy]

Technically we have the support role with ranged dps. Its just that SE doesn't want to do anything to make support rewarding or good.

First post best post.

People say they want support, but there's nothing to support in this game now that it's been totally streamlined down to this. For example, other games will have mana (MP) actually be used by everyone, for everything, and when you run out you're literally out of options. Some support jobs will exist to feed you more mana, so that you don't run out of options. Can you imagine if tomorrow, every ability and weaponskill in the game cost mp, and melee jobs that lacked lucid dreaming were suddenly reliant on healers to cast a mana battery spell every 30 seconds or something? I bet most of you here would hate it. The whole party system is simultaneously interconnected (everyone standardized on a 2m system) but also feels incredibly isolated and independent compared to other games I've played. You just do your rotation while barely thinking about others around you (from a skill-use context, not necessarily a positioning context) until your 2 minute egg timer pops. People would be absolutely livid if their performance were directly tied to another person's ability to feed them resources so they could perform. We'll never have a rewarding support option in this game, because rewarding support options necessitates having something extremely valuable to support in the first place, and being able to fail and take others down with you if you fail; the devs don't have the courage to bring that style of play into all content by baking it into a skill kit. And it makes me sad, because I loved playing support in better mmos that got it right.

[R041]

ARR BRD was probably the closest to a support class we've had - well, maybe include AST back when the cards had specific bonuses.

I'm still a salty AST.

[Avoidy]

I'm still a salty AST.

I missed the chance to play AST like this by about a month and it'll always make me sad.

[R041]

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You're right, and I said the same thing a page ago - There's nothing to support exactly. It's all been kinda streamlined into a smooth experience without opportunity for failure. Saying it's smoother doesn't even give it credit as a better experience necessarily, because technically our boss mechanics have gotten more interesting, but the difficulty from the player's individual class requirements have been mostly removed and more boring in favor of DDR gameplay. I want both.

[Shurrikhan]

ARR BRD was probably the closest to a support class we've had.

HW BRD (and MCH) no less so, unless you count being the go-to to do what few movement mechanics could be baited by anyone as a "Support Action". Those tools didn't get gutted down to simple use-on-cooldown CDs until Stormblood.

ARR BRD could debuff enemy magic defense, they could restore TP or MP as well as movement speed out of battle. With changes they made to the game over the last near-decade, all that's left is movement speed. Honestly, BRD's support kit was still bad, but it was possibly the "best" FFXIV had to offer.

Sadly true.

The holy trinity of roles simply doesn't allow for true support classes in this game - I'm talking about FFXI BRD or EQ1 BRD and Enchanter. Classes that focused mostly on buffing, debuffing and crowd control.

It... can. Just, not through the way XIV has increasingly come to imagine that trinity, nor with how content it's been to have so few undermechanics.

But if you imagine a bunch of buffs usually used on oneself rotationally but now available to be leveraged to greater effect by being used on others... yeah, that's doable, and that'd be pretty near to those "true" support classes. We just need more things available in game (under)mechanically to actually... do. At present not having the actions isn't even the bottleneck; there are scarcely any interesting mechanics to create them for nor encounters to leverage them in/with.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Your post history is riddled with ad-hominems - attacking and generalizing instead of replying to the actual comment's contents. You had an opportunity to reply to my post for discussion's sake, but chose to attack the forum and myself as you often do.

Then we'll get into an argument because I snap back. I'm not a better person. lol

I see you doing the same thing to multiple people in different threads right this second. It's like you think we're in forum pvp.

If you seriously think disagreeing with people is considered "attacking" then...ok I guess. But thats not what Im ultimately try to do. I tend to be sarcastic or just meme honestly with many of my posts but I still put in some effort to voice my own sound opinions.