Scale back Critical Hit

[Jeeqbit]

Tenacity - Tank-only stat that reduces damage taken. It reduces damage taken very, VERY slightly, and only slightly raises damage done. Not a good stat to invest into.

I disagree with the assessment that it's slight because it can reduce the incoming damage by 10%. The damage reduction is just about fine, it's just that we can get away without it. Even if it was 20% or 30% mitigation, nobody would care because we use Rampart, Sentinel and Sheltron on the busters and have the defense stat and a trait that reduces damage. Tanks survive mechanics that everyone else in the raid can't, including ones that are supposed to wipe the entire party, so why would they need yet more mitigation? Additionally, once you gear up as weeks progress, the extra Vitality makes up for not having Tenacity by giving everyone more room for error. When you combine these facts with how it increases damage less than Determination, a lot of people will choose the piece with Determination on it over the piece with Tenacity on it.

If someone is of the mindset to help the healers as much as possible with the Abyssos dots at the expense of their damage, they already have plenty of reason to stack Tenacity, but let's be honest, everyone just goes to The Balance or their friends reiterate information from there to avoid Tenacity, so they will avoid it even if it's 20%, 30% or 40% mitigation. They can say "it could be useful for prog" but people will just skip past that, seek out a BiS list and use it.

Skill/Spell Speed - A stat that determines your GCD. Definitely needs looking at, as its only purpose is to enforce certain GCD tiers and not provide much else. It's been the bane of some jobs' existence as well.

Skill/Spell Speed increases the damage of dots/damage areas and auto-attacks as well. I don't think that this stat is actually a problem itself. The problem is that we have strict rotations that can be messed up by using it and there will always be a meta, and that meta is regarded as being crit. If we got rid of crit and dh, jobs without too strict or unaffected rotations might actually use it.

There will always be a meta stat, especially while we have crit and dh available to all jobs. Without those it would probably be different stats for each job.

[Amenara]

If someone is of the mindset to help the healers as much as possible with the Abyssos dots at the expense of their damage, they already have plenty of reason to stack Tenacity, but let's be honest, everyone just goes to The Balance or their friends reiterate information from there to avoid Tenacity, so they will avoid it even if it's 20%, 30% or 40% mitigation. They can say "it could be useful for prog" but people will just skip past that, seek out a BiS list and use it.

There will always be a meta stat, especially while we have crit and dh available to all jobs. Without those it would probably be different stats for each job.

I think with heals being so strong is the biggest mitigating factor for wanting Tenacity as well. If there is little to no need for healers to burn a GCD on healing the tank then why would the tank need more mitigation when they can stack more effective sub stats. There 100% is a meta, but the meta is dps is king which makes things that dont contribute or contribute less trash stats past any breakpoints you want or need.

[Liam_Harper]

If someone is of the mindset to help the healers as much as possible with the Abyssos dots at the expense of their damage, they already have plenty of reason to stack Tenacity, but let's be honest, everyone just goes to The Balance or their friends reiterate information from there to avoid Tenacity

Good.

As a healer, the best way to help with Abyssos dots and autos is to play your job well. Not stack tenacity and sacrifice dps. The entire tier can be done without needing to GCD heal tanks. This is another reason tenacity is worthless except as a small set of training wheels while learning a job. Everything can be covered by playing well.

[DixieBellOCE]

If someone is of the mindset to help the healers as much as possible with the Abyssos dots at the expense of their damage, they already have plenty of reason to stack Tenacity, but let's be honest, everyone just goes to The Balance or their friends reiterate information from there to avoid Tenacity, so they will avoid it even if it's 20%, 30% or 40% mitigation. They can say "it could be useful for prog" but people will just skip past that, seek out a BiS list and use it.

If somebody is in the Mindset to help healers, Meld for damage and end the fight faster. (Also do mechanics correctly).

Building defensive in an offensive orientated game is a terrible design choice.

The only job that melds tenacity is Warrior, and thats just when Crit/Det are already capped on an item since DET and SKS are now dead stats to them (Thanks devs).

[Absurdity]

If somebody is in the Mindset to help healers, Meld for damage and end the fight faster. (Also do mechanics correctly).

Building defensive in an offensive orientated game is a terrible design choice.

The only job that melds tenacity is Warrior, and thats just when Crit/Det are already capped on an item since DET and SKS are now dead stats to them (Thanks devs).

Even warrior melds 0 tenacity since they changed how direct hit works, it's all crit where possible and direct hit everywhere else now...and I guess 2 DET melds for hitting the next tier there.


But my main problem isn't even with crit variance, or how potency bloat on our abilities and the 2 minute meta have made the problem that much worse, but with how utterly boring the substats are in general. They're all just "increases damage by XYZ", nerfing crit just means you'll stack one of the other "increases damage by XYZ" stats and get slightly less rng on your dps.

I'm not entirely sure why spell/skill speed increase damage instead of rate???

Jeeqbit already mentioned it but that's because this game's engine literally can't make DoTs tick faster, they're bound to server ticks which is estimated to be every 3 seconds.

Because there is a fixed tick rate of 3 seconds and increasing the damage has mostly the same effect as increasing the tick rate, which is increasing overall damage. Probably a workaround.

It achieves the same result but the gameplay "feel" is completely different. It's hard to explain but if you ever played Affliction Warlock or Shadow Priest in WoW and stacked haste you know what I mean.