Content geared towards FCs

[Raven2014]

So ok, if were going to start playing like that. How about make the devs not make anymore Ultimates. We clearly already know only a select few ever do them , so why gate them behind doing savages?

Its this mentality thats the clear issue here. There's nothing taken away if they make something that is FC related and Im sure anyone who dedicates their time hanging out with their FC wouldnt be saying "no thanks".

It's not mentality issue, it's called strawmen and reaching, which is what you're doing. Ultimate sitting behind Savage is what you call progression. Do you know why?

Because if you step into Ultimate without Savage gears, you're literally gonna get ONE SHOT by the first mechanic. And that's not an exaggeration. Even in BiS gear, missing a single mit or missing even just food and you gonna still get high rolled to the floor. Going in there with a whole tier of gear missing ? Yeah, unless you want to just zoning into the area counted as "accessing" content, than power to you, but I think most people won't.

- There are gating that naturally make sense, and usually people just see it as a sequence. Finish the story of the previous expack before the current one. Clearing the previous floor of a raid before accessing the next one.

- There are gating that's a necessity for the medium, like weekly cap. No player like it, but it's there 'cause no MMO can hope to survive without it.

- And there are gating like the one you're requesting, gating only for the shake of gating and nothing else. Thanks but no thanks.

Not every content needs to cater to everyone.

Hear that, the man who said not everything need to be catered to anyone, yet accusing people disagree as people selfish only care about themselves with a straight face.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It's not mentality issue, it's called strawmen and reaching, which is what you're doing. Ultimate sitting behind Savage is what you call progression. Do you know why?

Because if you step into Ultimate without Savage gears, you're literally gonna get ONE SHOT by the first mechanic. And that's not an exaggeration. Even in BiS gear, missing a single mit or missing even just food and you gonna still get high rolled to the floor. Going in there with a whole tier of gear missing ? Yeah, unless you want to just zoning into the area counted as "accessing" content, than power to you, but I think most people won't.

- There are gating that naturally make sense, and usually people just see it as a sequence. Finish the story of the previous expack before the current one. Clearing the previous floor of a raid before accessing the next one.

- There are gating that's a necessity for the medium, like weekly cap. No player like it, but it's there 'cause no MMO can hope to survive without it.

- And there are gating like the one you're requesting, gating only for the shake of gating and nothing else. Thanks but no thanks.




Hear that, the man who said not everything need to be catered to anyone, yet accusing people disagree as people selfish only care about themselves with a straight face.

Funny how its actually you being the strawman here. Keep making lame excuses for why they shouldnt continue doing unique things for the systems already built into this game. Keep discouraging the devs from trying to find different ways to do the content we already do just for the sake of wanting to make everyone happy, in a community space where people do their own thing. Oh how terrible it is for those whom dont care about FC stuff miss out on new activities you can do with an FC, how terrible it is for them to dedicate resources for updating pvp even though a lot of us tend to not care for it. How dare they branch out and make new forms of content. This is the same problem MMOs like WoW had with them introducing new gameplay systems but then soon abandon them and never update them.

I already said I dont much care for FCs but I know a ton of people whom put hours of work running their own little communities and I feel it would be cool if they ever create more things for that circle of space within FFXIV. But no just because YOU decide to not care for it, then it's not worth it. Yes I do know that they tried systems like this with Diadem and what not and it failed, but I would never want for them to just not try again and make something better.

[Deveryn]

All of this is a symptom of the truth, which is that if you ever used Steam, you would notice that all of the people on a friends list usually play a game or DLC that just came out for a few days, then they finish it and stop playing. When an MMO releases a new patch, they are usually playing it for a few days, then they play something else. This is so easy to see on Steam that once you've seen it, you understand exactly why SE makes patch content that can be finished within a few days. Because most gamers will only consume it for a few days and move onto the next game.

Thanks. I had long forgotten about this problem and why I just stick with an MMO (and this one in particular.)

I already said I dont much care for FCs but I know a ton of people whom put hours of work running their own little communities and I feel it would be cool if they ever create more things for that circle of space within FFXIV. But no just because YOU decide to not care for it, then it's not worth it. Yes I do know that they tried systems like this with Diadem and what not and it failed, but I would never want for them to just not try again and make something better.

It might be cool if they did something, but why? You say they can try again make something better. What does that look like?

[Raven2014]

Funny how its actually you being the strawman here. Keep making lame excuses for why they shouldnt continue doing unique things for the systems already built into this game. Keep discouraging the devs from trying to find different ways to do the content we already do just for the sake of wanting to make everyone happy, in a community space where people do their own thing. Oh how terrible it is for those whom dont care about FC stuff miss out on new activities you can do with an FC, how terrible it is for them to dedicate resources for updating pvp even though a lot of us tend to not care for it. How dare they branch out and make new forms of content. This is the same problem MMOs like WoW had with them introducing new gameplay systems but then soon abandon them and never update them.

Yeah dude, like I can't even make out what you're trying to say here, seem like you just picking up random stuff and make it into a rambling hotpot. You're desperately projecting and putting words in my mouth. So hope you don't mind if I just stop responding to you in this thread.

In a way though, this kinda remind me how politician act. One side wrote a bill like "This bill will support the working class!", but also attach a "pork" provision in the same bill about giving take break to the rich. So when the opposition denies to support the bill (because of the tax break), they accuse the opposition as anti-working class because they didn't agree to said bill.

My parting work to you: your claim about making new content and your demand for FC exclusive content are two - completely - separated - things. They're like the main text and the pork of a house bill. I have no problem with your main text, but I don't like your pork, that's all there is to it.