Content geared towards FCs

[Atelier-Bagur]

If you make an FC then you have to recruit 10-20 players who have the same schedule as you to do the content. You have to make sure they're active in the same hours and play regularly, as well as they're good at the game in order to complete this new content.
And they have to all be from the same server as you. That content would be DoA on Materia and Dynamis where there aren't enough players for PvP queues and multiple roulettes to pop in a reasonable amount of time.

Now what are you going to do about players stranded on underpopulated servers or servers where other people don't want to do that? You're going to charge them 18 dollars every time they need to change server, and give up their personal house, in order to attempt the content?
It circles back to what I said at the start, this type of content is on its way out. WoW even made changes because their reliance on guilds caused issues if you were alliance on a horde server and just had no access to endgame, and the other way around.
Remember when PvP was based on your GC and the Maelstrom just dominated every time? That was changed to force a random team specifically because of the problem you want to add back into the game.

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

[Raven2014]

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

Screwing them? You're making it sound like people in an FC are being punished, or its members are being punished for being in one. It already has its own perks, the problem here is you don't think it enough and want even more exclusive content created for it.

If seemly not having more is considered punishment, guess what. I feel like I'm being punished every day in real life.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Screwing them? You're making it sound like people in an FC are being punished, or its members are being punished for being in one. It already has its own perks, the problem here is you don't think it enough and want even more exclusive content created for it.

If seemly not having more is considered punishment, guess what. I feel like I'm being punished every day in real life.

So ok, if were going to start playing like that. How about make the devs not make anymore Ultimates. We clearly already know only a select few ever do them , so why gate them behind doing savages?

Its this mentality thats the clear issue here. There's nothing taken away if they make something that is FC related and Im sure anyone who dedicates their time hanging out with their FC wouldnt be saying "no thanks". Not every content needs to cater to everyone.

[Raven2014]

So ok, if were going to start playing like that. How about make the devs not make anymore Ultimates. We clearly already know only a select few ever do them , so why gate them behind doing savages?

Its this mentality thats the clear issue here. There's nothing taken away if they make something that is FC related and Im sure anyone who dedicates their time hanging out with their FC wouldnt be saying "no thanks".

It's not mentality issue, it's called strawmen and reaching, which is what you're doing. Ultimate sitting behind Savage is what you call progression. Do you know why?

Because if you step into Ultimate without Savage gears, you're literally gonna get ONE SHOT by the first mechanic. And that's not an exaggeration. Even in BiS gear, missing a single mit or missing even just food and you gonna still get high rolled to the floor. Going in there with a whole tier of gear missing ? Yeah, unless you want to just zoning into the area counted as "accessing" content, than power to you, but I think most people won't.

- There are gating that naturally make sense, and usually people just see it as a sequence. Finish the story of the previous expack before the current one. Clearing the previous floor of a raid before accessing the next one.

- There are gating that's a necessity for the medium, like weekly cap. No player like it, but it's there 'cause no MMO can hope to survive without it.

- And there are gating like the one you're requesting, gating only for the shake of gating and nothing else. Thanks but no thanks.

Not every content needs to cater to everyone.

Hear that, the man who said not everything need to be catered to anyone, yet accusing people disagree as people selfish only care about themselves with a straight face.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It's not mentality issue, it's called strawmen and reaching, which is what you're doing. Ultimate sitting behind Savage is what you call progression. Do you know why?

Because if you step into Ultimate without Savage gears, you're literally gonna get ONE SHOT by the first mechanic. And that's not an exaggeration. Even in BiS gear, missing a single mit or missing even just food and you gonna still get high rolled to the floor. Going in there with a whole tier of gear missing ? Yeah, unless you want to just zoning into the area counted as "accessing" content, than power to you, but I think most people won't.

- There are gating that naturally make sense, and usually people just see it as a sequence. Finish the story of the previous expack before the current one. Clearing the previous floor of a raid before accessing the next one.

- There are gating that's a necessity for the medium, like weekly cap. No player like it, but it's there 'cause no MMO can hope to survive without it.

- And there are gating like the one you're requesting, gating only for the shake of gating and nothing else. Thanks but no thanks.




Hear that, the man who said not everything need to be catered to anyone, yet accusing people disagree as people selfish only care about themselves with a straight face.

Funny how its actually you being the strawman here. Keep making lame excuses for why they shouldnt continue doing unique things for the systems already built into this game. Keep discouraging the devs from trying to find different ways to do the content we already do just for the sake of wanting to make everyone happy, in a community space where people do their own thing. Oh how terrible it is for those whom dont care about FC stuff miss out on new activities you can do with an FC, how terrible it is for them to dedicate resources for updating pvp even though a lot of us tend to not care for it. How dare they branch out and make new forms of content. This is the same problem MMOs like WoW had with them introducing new gameplay systems but then soon abandon them and never update them.

I already said I dont much care for FCs but I know a ton of people whom put hours of work running their own little communities and I feel it would be cool if they ever create more things for that circle of space within FFXIV. But no just because YOU decide to not care for it, then it's not worth it. Yes I do know that they tried systems like this with Diadem and what not and it failed, but I would never want for them to just not try again and make something better.

[Deveryn]

All of this is a symptom of the truth, which is that if you ever used Steam, you would notice that all of the people on a friends list usually play a game or DLC that just came out for a few days, then they finish it and stop playing. When an MMO releases a new patch, they are usually playing it for a few days, then they play something else. This is so easy to see on Steam that once you've seen it, you understand exactly why SE makes patch content that can be finished within a few days. Because most gamers will only consume it for a few days and move onto the next game.

Thanks. I had long forgotten about this problem and why I just stick with an MMO (and this one in particular.)

I already said I dont much care for FCs but I know a ton of people whom put hours of work running their own little communities and I feel it would be cool if they ever create more things for that circle of space within FFXIV. But no just because YOU decide to not care for it, then it's not worth it. Yes I do know that they tried systems like this with Diadem and what not and it failed, but I would never want for them to just not try again and make something better.

It might be cool if they did something, but why? You say they can try again make something better. What does that look like?

[Raven2014]

Funny how its actually you being the strawman here. Keep making lame excuses for why they shouldnt continue doing unique things for the systems already built into this game. Keep discouraging the devs from trying to find different ways to do the content we already do just for the sake of wanting to make everyone happy, in a community space where people do their own thing. Oh how terrible it is for those whom dont care about FC stuff miss out on new activities you can do with an FC, how terrible it is for them to dedicate resources for updating pvp even though a lot of us tend to not care for it. How dare they branch out and make new forms of content. This is the same problem MMOs like WoW had with them introducing new gameplay systems but then soon abandon them and never update them.

Yeah dude, like I can't even make out what you're trying to say here, seem like you just picking up random stuff and make it into a rambling hotpot. You're desperately projecting and putting words in my mouth. So hope you don't mind if I just stop responding to you in this thread.

In a way though, this kinda remind me how politician act. One side wrote a bill like "This bill will support the working class!", but also attach a "pork" provision in the same bill about giving take break to the rich. So when the opposition denies to support the bill (because of the tax break), they accuse the opposition as anti-working class because they didn't agree to said bill.

My parting work to you: your claim about making new content and your demand for FC exclusive content are two - completely - separated - things. They're like the main text and the pork of a house bill. I have no problem with your main text, but I don't like your pork, that's all there is to it.

[VerdeLuck]

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

There's no punishment currently for having an FC. If you want events, run events. If no one comes to your events then that's on the organizer. The problem is not that there's nothing to do for FCs, the problem is people don't organize anything or they organize events that aren't good.
I've seen plenty of FCs run MINE raid nights, make statics, have learning party nights, farm nights, decide to pick a night to sit around and chat as they all do FATEs. It's not even just the nightclub events, there is a world of content to be done that is completely wide open to FCs to organize and do.

Forcing people to be in an FC or they just can't do content is not the way to go about it at all, no one wants that. It was also done years back with Diadem as others have pointed out and it was changed because it was universally hated by the players. This is one of those situations where we can confidently say that yes, it was tried to force more FC interactions and participation in the past through exclusive content, and it was hated so much that players asked for it to be changed.

[Saraide]

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

How are people being punished for being in an FC right now?