Content geared towards FCs

[Atelier-Bagur]

Creating content for the sake of content? Are you sure this is what this thread is asking for? To me it sounds more like creating content for the sake of requiring FCs.

If were trying to justify the why of it. But I think just giving us more things to do in this game should be encouraged. Heck I mean we have a pretty heated thread about how some folk feel like FFXIV lacks any meaningful lasting content and now suddenly were just discouraging it?

[Raven2014]

I guess they should just get rid of the concept of FCs all together then if this is how we feel. Just keep the linkshell system so that we can still communicate with others.

Why getting rid of FC where so many people are running successful FC? Getting rid of it because a few can't spend the effort to keep theirs running?

A lot of the response here is just folks throwing the excuse around oh but we dont want content being gated. I suppose the game itself is gated around paying a subscription. Or how the endgame is gated behind a lengthy msq or how gear is gated behind raiding.

If there is a wikipedia with a "strawman" argument entry, I probably can cite this part as an example.

The majority of content in FF14 are "open access" to all. Everything you listed can be achieved given enough time spent. Some takes more time than other, but eventually you can access it. There are only TWO type of content that are hardlocked currently:

- Gardening.
- FC workshop.

The first requires you have to have a house, the second requires you to own an FC with a house or at least be in the upper echelon of the FC to access. And you can play for months and years and will never get any closer to to unlock these content unless you meet the requirement. And unless you haven't noticed, the community don't have a favorable view to those.

... Actually, there used to be a 3rd type content that was hardlocked behind FC: 3.0 Diadem. And guess what, it was so dead that they got rid of it after an expansion, and brought it back later as an "open" access. So ... true success story right there.

Anymore loose examples we can start throwing with crying about things being "gated" rather than wanting the devs to just create content for the sake of content huh?

Who said anything about not wanting more content? Even if you want, you can lock behind some of the content behind FC now. Like: map can only be done with FC members, Criterion is made into an FC only dungeon. The question you seem to missed is people asking: what's the point? So if SE came up with a new type of content, which I believe everyone will like, we simply against idea of arbitrary locking it behind FC.

Like ... what's the point of limiting access to other players? And if your point is "so SE can help keep my FC alive that I don't want to spend the effort doing it myself", then people are just telling you that you have a bad point, not that they're against new content..

[MonteCristo]

Creating content for the sake of content? Are you sure this is what this thread is asking for? To me it sounds more like creating content for the sake of requiring FCs.

You and most here missed the point sadly

[Reinha]

Are you asking for content for the whole FC or content for the FC leader, like buffs, workshops and housing? The latter would only encourage people to make more solo FCs.

It should be something that scales for 2-24 free company members and drops personal loot or currency to all participants. Maybe it could be unlocked by finding the location with company airships or submarines. Hmmm, it's starting to sound familiar...

[Atelier-Bagur]

Why getting rid of FC where so many people are running successful FC? Getting rid of it because a few can't spend the effort to keep theirs running?



If there is a wikipedia with a "strawman" argument entry, I probably can cite this part as an example.

The majority of content in FF14 are "open access" to all. Everything you listed can be achieved given enough time spent. Some takes more time than other, but eventually you can access it. There are only TWO type of content that are hardlocked currently:

- Gardening.
- FC workshop.

The first requires you have to have a house, the second requires you to own an FC with a house or at least be in the upper echelon of the FC to access. And you can play for months and years and will never get any closer to to unlock these content unless you meet the requirement. And unless you haven't noticed, the community don't have a favorable view to those.

... Actually, there used to be a 3rd type content that was hardlocked behind FC: 3.0 Diadem. And guess what, it was so dead that they got rid of it after an expansion, and brought it back later as an "open" access. So ... true success story right there.




Who said anything about not wanting more content? Even if you want, you can lock behind some of the content behind FC now. Like: map can only be done with FC members, Criterion is made into an FC only dungeon. The question you seem to missed is people asking: what's the point? So if SE came up with a new type of content, which I believe everyone will like, we simply against idea of arbitrary locking it behind FC.

Like ... what's the point of limiting access to other players? And if your point is "so SE can help keep my FC alive that I don't want to spend the effort doing it myself", then people are just telling you that you have a bad point, not that they're against new content..

These points make no sense. We already have content thats theoretically "locked" behind having an FC such as company submersibles. Again I feel like sometimes we're just arbitrarly throwing around things being "locked" behind features in this game as if somehow all players are FORCED to do them. None of the optional content in this game is ever forced on the player, its why its called "optional" as in, not required to progress through the game.

So them making an activity thats FC related should have no bearing over you making progress with playing the game. Itll be just an optional thing to do if you happen to own or be a part of an FC.

[Raven2014]

These points make no sense. We already have content thats theoretically "locked" behind having an FC such as company submersibles.

And the point is the majority of the community HATE it.

You're literally saying hey, there is this bad feature you guys did that almost everyone hate, please create more of it.

Itll be just an optional thing to do if you happen to own or be a part of an FC.

Being optional have zero relevant in this context. Deep dungeon is optional, criterion is optional, map is optional, Diadem is option, crafting is optional, relic is optional ..etc.. I can choose not to them, but when I do choose to do them, I can access them at will. I don't have to join an FC and be at mercy of the people running it for a chance to do it.

Someday you will realize that group content is a good thing--and quit FFXIV accordingly!

Someday you will realize an FC is neither a requirement or the only venue for group content.

90% of my play time spent doing group content. So FF14 seems to do quite well in that regard. So ... remind me what's the issue here again? This is like someone saying "one day you realize you can't get by without me" and you just wonder "but I have been getting by fine without you?".

[MonteCristo]

Someday, FFXIV players will realize that multiplayer is the core of a game like this, and without good multiplayer incentives, our game as a whole is lacking. We all think that FFXIV is this amazing blockbuster title that's taking the world by storm. It's not. It's not even the most-played MMO--or the second, or the third, or even the fourth. So our sense of grandiosity is completely unwarranted. What we do have, though, unlike most other MMOs, is a complete disinterest in retaining players. The content is as wide as an ocean and shallow as a puddle. Most players don't sub year-round. We get what we deserve. According to the vast, vast majority of MMO players, we aren't the best. Maybe we should look at ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves why.

Someday you will realize that group content is a good thing--and quit FFXIV accordingly!



Sad but true.

Echoes my sentiments

[Atelier-Bagur]

And the point is the majority of the community HATE it.

You're literally saying hey, there is this bad feature you guys did that almost everyone hate, please create more of it.





Being optional have zero relevant in this context. Deep dungeon is optional, criterion is optional, map is optional, Diadem is option, crafting is optional, relic is optional ..etc.. I can choose not to them, but when I do choose to do them, I can access them at will. I don't have to join an FC and be at mercy of the people running it for a chance to do it.

I just dont necessarily agree with this sentiment here. There's nothing wrong with adding more meaningful activities to do with other players. I seriously dont get this mentality from the community where they somehow feel like they're just "forced" into things.

How do I play game?

[Raven2014]

I just dont necessarily agree with this sentiment here. There's nothing wrong with adding more meaningful activities to do with other players. I seriously dont get this mentality from the community where they somehow feel like they're just "forced" into things.

How do I play game?

You don't see the irony here?

- Free access = no one force you to do anything for anything.
- Locked content behind FC: you are forced to join an FC if you want to do something.

Like ... make it make sense?


Also, like I said I don't get why you and other make it sound like the game don't have group content or FC is the only venue for it.

- I raid
- I pvp
- I run dungeon
- I do map

That constitute the majority of my playing activities. My "solo" play time on a normal day include

- 5min checking setting up sanctuary.
- 5min to get my beast-tribe daily done.
- 15min a week to do the custom delivery.
- MSq take a couple hours or more, but that like ... once every 4 months?

Even if you combine all of my "solo" time in a month, it won't even come close to the amount of spend on PF for group contents in one week. You're projecting an issue that doesn't exist.

[Saraide]

If were trying to justify the why of it. But I think just giving us more things to do in this game should be encouraged. Heck I mean we have a pretty heated thread about how some folk feel like FFXIV lacks any meaningful lasting content and now suddenly were just discouraging it?

What is being discouraged is very specifically locking this nebulous content behind FC participation. Not the creation of said content. Claiming people are against new content in this thread is dishonest.