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    The OP has me confused by saying FCs remind him more of a social group than a guild.

    That's all FCs and guilds ever were - social groups. Like-minded players with similar interests and compatible personalities come together to do things. There's no requirement that specific content must be done.

    If FCs aren't doing the content already in the game together, it probably won't be different with any other content SE choses to add.

    Quote Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato View Post
    What do you mean, "other people can't"? FCs are a core part of game design, just like every other piece of content in the game. There's nothing stopping you from joining an FC.
    Sure there is. It's not a solo decision on your part. You don't get to just walk up to people and say "I've decided I'm in your FC now".

    Someone already in the FC with the correct permissions needs to invite you to join or accept the application you submit. The same person (usually along with several others) also have the ability to kick you from the FC on a whim if they desire. That leaves you at the mercy of someone's willingness to invite you and the FC's willingness to keep you as a member.

    FCs are not a core part of game design. No one is guaranteed a spot in a FC simply because they created a character. They're an optional part of game design. You can play the entire game without joining a FC and miss out on nothing of importance. Even most of the FC actions (minor QoL) are available through Squadron Manuals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    all I'm advocating is to have some bit more FC related content
    FCs are perfectly capable of creating their own if they feel there is a lack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    FCs are not a core part of game design. No one is guaranteed a spot in a FC simply because they created a character. They're an optional part of game design. You can play the entire game without joining a FC and miss out on nothing of importance. Even most of the FC actions (minor QoL) are available through Squadron Manuals.
    Someday, FFXIV players will realize that multiplayer is the core of a game like this, and without good multiplayer incentives, our game as a whole is lacking. We all think that FFXIV is this amazing blockbuster title that's taking the world by storm. It's not. It's not even the most-played MMO--or the second, or the third, or even the fourth. So our sense of grandiosity is completely unwarranted. What we do have, though, unlike most other MMOs, is a complete disinterest in retaining players. The content is as wide as an ocean and shallow as a puddle. Most players don't sub year-round. We get what we deserve. According to the vast, vast majority of MMO players, we aren't the best. Maybe we should look at ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves why.

    Someday you will realize that group content is a good thing--and quit FFXIV accordingly!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    The game has moved to catering to single players and small groups only.
    Sad but true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato View Post
    Someday, FFXIV players will realize that multiplayer is the core of a game like this, and without good multiplayer incentives, our game as a whole is lacking. We all think that FFXIV is this amazing blockbuster title that's taking the world by storm. It's not. It's not even the most-played MMO--or the second, or the third, or even the fourth. So our sense of grandiosity is completely unwarranted. What we do have, though, unlike most other MMOs, is a complete disinterest in retaining players. The content is as wide as an ocean and shallow as a puddle. Most players don't sub year-round. We get what we deserve. According to the vast, vast majority of MMO players, we aren't the best. Maybe we should look at ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves why.

    Someday you will realize that group content is a good thing--and quit FFXIV accordingly!



    Sad but true.
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