Content geared towards FCs

[Deveryn]

What can you offer them that they can't just get from a linkshell and a solo FC?

Additional worry-free (relatively) housing space at a low price.

Content geared toward FCs would likely end up putting pressure on people to do whatever it is and only that (potentially). You'd have people kicking those that aren't contributing enough. There's already plenty of group content to do out there and you don't have to be in an FC to do it.

[Avoidy]

Additional worry-free (relatively) housing space at a low price.

Content geared toward FCs would likely end up putting pressure on people to do whatever it is and only that (potentially). You'd have people kicking those that aren't contributing enough. There's already plenty of group content to do out there and you don't have to be in an FC to do it.

Housing space that they generally can't even decorate. Whereas if you went the solo FC route, you could simply purchase your own home and have the full range of decorative ability. I will grant you this: with demolition returning, the "worry free" aspect does become relevant, but in my experience most people would rather have their own solo fc home that they can decorate without consideration for anyone else, even if it comes with some worries, over a "community FC" home that just exists and was already decorated by someone else and requires a specific rank to decorate and every change you make might upset others who liked the house as it was, etc. etc.

The rest of your post, I'll just say this. Having come from MMOs with these systems, neither of them had people being kicked for inactivity. Maybe you experienced differently though.

[R041]

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I think they were mostly talking about FC House 'Rooms'. Which isn't really worry-free tbh. I've seen FCs explode and you lose the 300k + room deco, and I've had to explode other people's rooms. We just need more and larger apartments, and give them a balcony for gardening and other shiz. Not more Wards.

But FC Housing shouldn't compete as a better version of Solo Housing. That's the problem here. Giving additional features because it's an FC house is just bad FOMO design and only encourages players to create Solo FCs. It's like if we only allowed FCs to Treasure Hunt, people would make solo FCs just for that. So whatever if they want a Solo FC fine, but when it's designed to also mechanically take away from the Solo players as well (FC Housing), then it's bad.

[Avoidy]

I think they were mostly talking about FC House 'Rooms'. Which isn't really worry-free tbh. I've seen FCs explode and you lose the 300k + room deco, and I've had to explode other people's rooms. We just need more and larger apartments, and give them a balcony for gardening and other shiz. Not more Wards.

But FC Housing shouldn't compete as a better version of Solo Housing. That's the problem here. Giving additional features because it's an FC house is just bad FOMO design and only encourages players to create Solo FCs. It's like if we only allowed FCs to Treasure Hunt, people would make solo FCs just for that. So whatever if they want a Solo FC fine, but when it's designed to also mechanically take away from the Solo players as well (FC Housing), then it's bad.

Yeah I agree on all of that, 100%.
Not being sarcastic either, like I genuinely have nothing to add. The current system is not good from an incentives standpoint and just pushes people to engage in solo activity that hurts community building efforts.

[Deveryn]

Housing space that they generally can't even decorate. Whereas if you went the solo FC route, you could simply purchase your own home and have the full range of decorative ability. I will grant you this: with demolition returning, the "worry free" aspect does become relevant, but in my experience most people would rather have their own solo fc home that they can decorate without consideration for anyone else, even if it comes with some worries, over a "community FC" home that just exists and was already decorated by someone else and requires a specific rank to decorate and every change you make might upset others who liked the house as it was, etc. etc.

The rest of your post, I'll just say this. Having come from MMOs with these systems, neither of them had people being kicked for inactivity. Maybe you experienced differently though.

You can still decorate your own space in an FC house when you pick up private quarters. I recently learned you can get 512 private quarters inside an FC house, so there's another reason the housing system isn't likely to change. It seems a shame that people waste that potential space on having their own FC plot. If you feel the need to decorate a full sized house, that's something you might consider doing elsewhere. Eorzea might be a better place if you had more leadership that didn't just invest in the houses to satisfy their decoration fetish.

As for the politics of FCs, I've been part of groups in other games that require regular contributions, whether it's attending raids or contributing to upkeep of the house. On here, I've heard of people being kicked for less / nothing at all. I have a nice quiet FC where people just login and play the game. I have no desire to see any kind of carrot dangling off my FC.

[R041]

I recently learned you can get 512 private quarters inside an FC house

Yep, it really is the dumbest shit.

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Private_Chamber
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Apartments

How the fuck are Apartments limited and only Small, when we can have basically infinite FC Rooms? Apartment Buildings can only hold 90. What kinda backwards bullshit is this? I can go own an Apartment, House, FC House, AND FC Room - All on the same character. So why can't we just own 1 Med/Large Apartment with a Patio?

And just to prove it, my dumbass did just that.



I want to blame Yoshi here, but SE also has the majority of the NFT brain rot. This is the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard. It really is just corporate generated FOMO at this point.