Content geared towards FCs

[Saraide]

I guess they should just get rid of the concept of FCs all together then if this is how we feel. Just keep the linkshell system so that we can still communicate with others.

A lot of the response here is just folks throwing the excuse around oh but we dont want content being gated. I suppose the game itself is gated around paying a subscription. Or how the endgame is gated behind a lengthy msq or how gear is gated behind raiding.

Anymore loose examples we can start throwing with crying about things being "gated" rather than wanting the devs to just create content for the sake of content huh?

Creating content for the sake of content? Are you sure this is what this thread is asking for? To me it sounds more like creating content for the sake of requiring FCs.

[MonteCristo]

Creating content for the sake of content? Are you sure this is what this thread is asking for? To me it sounds more like creating content for the sake of requiring FCs.

You and most here missed the point sadly

[Raven2014]

I guess they should just get rid of the concept of FCs all together then if this is how we feel. Just keep the linkshell system so that we can still communicate with others.

Why getting rid of FC where so many people are running successful FC? Getting rid of it because a few can't spend the effort to keep theirs running?

A lot of the response here is just folks throwing the excuse around oh but we dont want content being gated. I suppose the game itself is gated around paying a subscription. Or how the endgame is gated behind a lengthy msq or how gear is gated behind raiding.

If there is a wikipedia with a "strawman" argument entry, I probably can cite this part as an example.

The majority of content in FF14 are "open access" to all. Everything you listed can be achieved given enough time spent. Some takes more time than other, but eventually you can access it. There are only TWO type of content that are hardlocked currently:

- Gardening.
- FC workshop.

The first requires you have to have a house, the second requires you to own an FC with a house or at least be in the upper echelon of the FC to access. And you can play for months and years and will never get any closer to to unlock these content unless you meet the requirement. And unless you haven't noticed, the community don't have a favorable view to those.

... Actually, there used to be a 3rd type content that was hardlocked behind FC: 3.0 Diadem. And guess what, it was so dead that they got rid of it after an expansion, and brought it back later as an "open" access. So ... true success story right there.

Anymore loose examples we can start throwing with crying about things being "gated" rather than wanting the devs to just create content for the sake of content huh?

Who said anything about not wanting more content? Even if you want, you can lock behind some of the content behind FC now. Like: map can only be done with FC members, Criterion is made into an FC only dungeon. The question you seem to missed is people asking: what's the point? So if SE came up with a new type of content, which I believe everyone will like, we simply against idea of arbitrary locking it behind FC.

Like ... what's the point of limiting access to other players? And if your point is "so SE can help keep my FC alive that I don't want to spend the effort doing it myself", then people are just telling you that you have a bad point, not that they're against new content..

[Atelier-Bagur]

Creating content for the sake of content? Are you sure this is what this thread is asking for? To me it sounds more like creating content for the sake of requiring FCs.

If were trying to justify the why of it. But I think just giving us more things to do in this game should be encouraged. Heck I mean we have a pretty heated thread about how some folk feel like FFXIV lacks any meaningful lasting content and now suddenly were just discouraging it?

[Saraide]

If were trying to justify the why of it. But I think just giving us more things to do in this game should be encouraged. Heck I mean we have a pretty heated thread about how some folk feel like FFXIV lacks any meaningful lasting content and now suddenly were just discouraging it?

What is being discouraged is very specifically locking this nebulous content behind FC participation. Not the creation of said content. Claiming people are against new content in this thread is dishonest.

[Atelier-Bagur]

What is being discouraged is very specifically locking this nebulous content behind FC participation. Not the creation of said content. Claiming people are against new content in this thread is dishonest.

I understand this, but this still doesnt make any sense. Its almost as if you guys just despise your FC and rather not deal with them like at all. I dont particularly care about the FCs I join myself but Im sure many companies whom like to organize their group for doing fun activities wouldnt mind at all if there was something extra they could do together. Thats literally it. Im not advocating for something HUGE or anything that could be taken full advantage of in terms of power.

This is why Im spewing out how you guys just seem to not want content at all. "Oh we can have content! Just content that only I like"

[Saraide]

I understand this, but this still doesnt make any sense. Its almost as if you guys just despise your FC and rather not deal with them like at all. I dont particularly care about the FCs I join myself but Im sure many companies whom like to organize their group for doing fun activities wouldnt mind at all if there was something extra they could do together. Thats literally it. Im not advocating for something HUGE or anything that could be taken full advantage of in terms of power.

This is why Im spewing out how you guys just seem to not want content at all. "Oh we can have content! Just content that only caters to me"

I'm glad you just essentially admit to being dishonest here.

We are the people saying we only want content catered to us? When you are here specifically asking to have content structures catered to your ideals of what an FC should be and not just be general content?

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm glad you just essentially admit to being dishonest here.

We are the people saying we only want content catered to us? When you are here specifically asking to have content structures catered to your ideals of what an FC should be and not just be general content?

You do realize that sarcastic quote is meant to you guys how you are all acting right now right? You seem to only care if they implement content as long as you somehow able to participate it in. This game already has content that I normally wouldnt be able to do if I dont want to put in the extra effort. Oh I cant do Ultimates unless I clear all savages and get into a static for it, Oh well, thats not for me but nice that there's a little something extra for the people whove put in that extra effort to do THAT CONTENT.

[Raven2014]

Its almost as if you guys just despise your FC and rather not deal with them like at all.

THat's only because you have a very narrow view of it.

I own a house, that doesn't stop me from thinking making gardening and crossbreeding "exclusive" to people with a house a bad idea. If housing is something that readily accessible than that's a different story, but alas it is not.

This is why Im spewing out how you guys just seem to not want content at all. "Oh we can have content! Just content that only I like"

Again, this is an ironic take.

- Free access content: anyone can do it, with or without FC. There is nothing stopping an FC from adopting it and do it together with its member.
- Exclusive content: no one allowed to do it unless they're part of an FC.

I don't know if you're realizing it or actually doing it on purpose. But you're projecting and twisting your own selfishness to make it sounds like it's other people problem.

[Atelier-Bagur]

THat's only because you have a very narrow view of it.

I own a house, that doesn't stop me from thinking making gardening and crossbreeding "exclusive" to people with a house a bad idea. If housing is something that readily accessible than that's a different story, but alas it is not.





Again, this is an ironic take.

- Free access content: anyone can do it, with or without FC. There is nothing stopping an FC from adopting it and do it together with its member.
- Exclusive content: no one allowed to do it unless they're part of an FC.

I don't know if you're realizing it or actually doing it on purpose. But you're projecting and twisting your own selfishness to make it sounds like it's other people problem.

Gardening and Housing is not an example I would use for what Im debating for and its disingenous. The structure of that content is super limiting for what you can do due to its nature of it not being able to be available for every player. FCs are something anybody can easily join. There's no shortage of groups that wont take in players so having something extra that you can do with your FC for that FC isnt terrible at all. Its just there if people want to participate or not. Oh how terrible that must be :v