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    VerdeLuck's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonteCristo View Post
    If the content is optional and invigorates FCs to band together outside of 90% of content that can nearly be done solo/PF whats the issue?
    The issue is forcing players to be in an FC they don't want to be in because they need it for the content, also gating solo players or people who aren't in a dedicated and large FC from doing the content and getting the rewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    The issue is forcing players to be in an FC they don't want to be in because they need it for the content, also gating solo players or people who aren't in a dedicated and large FC from doing the content and getting the rewards.
    If the content is optional why does this matter? There are tons of content that can be otherwise and multiple forms of progression. I am still failing to see how this forces anyone to do anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonteCristo View Post
    If the content is optional why does this matter? There are tons of content that can be otherwise and multiple forms of progression. I am still failing to see how this forces anyone to do anything?
    What you're asking for is for content and glams, gear, rewards, and mounts that would normally be available to everyone, gets sectioned off for only a small handful of people who have large active FCs. It's far from being "optional" when you take something people want to do and then say only a small number of people actually get to do it because you're arbitrarily gating it off. We've progressed past that in MMOs, even WoW was phasing it out since people would get trapped on a horde server as alliance and just be sol when it came to raiding and content.
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    If you're not already doing content with your FC then content structure like this will only make you hate your FC. If you would like to play with your FC members, you would already do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    If you're not already doing content with your FC then content structure like this will only make you hate your FC. If you would like to play with your FC members, you would already do that.
    It might make you hate your current FC, but it would also motivate people to make their own FCs that have what they want.

    FCs currently are just hives of drama. There's no reason for them not to be really. If you make exclusive meaningful content for FCs then there will be a good reason for FCs to shape themselves up in order to recruit for that content and others will be motivated to make their own FCs for said content too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    It might make you hate your current FC, but it would also motivate people to make their own FCs that have what they want.

    FCs currently are just hives of drama. There's no reason for them not to be really. If you make exclusive meaningful content for FCs then there will be a good reason for FCs to shape themselves up in order to recruit for that content and others will be motivated to make their own FCs for said content too.
    Why would FCs suddenly not be hives of drama anymore? They arent drama hives specifically because there is no content gated behind FCs. They are hives of drama because the people making them up are hives of drama.
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    Player NekoMataMata's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Why would FCs suddenly not be hives of drama anymore? They arent drama hives specifically because there is no content gated behind FCs. They are hives of drama because the people making them up are hives of drama.
    Oh, I don't know... Maybe because if FCs actually mattered then recruitment would also matter, and it would end up being important to keep your FC clean of it?

    There would still be drama, you can never be rid of that, but people in FCs would make a lot more effort to avoid it.

    There's no real reason to be in a FC right now outside of buffs and the workshop(which only ranks get access to anyways). This means it's a mostly social group, and that people hop between them until they find the right one or they decide that they don't need one.

    If there was exclusive content for a FC suddenly most people would likely need one, but FCs would also need willing members for that content. This means there could be competitive recruitment, and competitive recruitment would lead to FCs attempting to reduce drama and treat their members better. Otherwise their FC could end up with a bad image, and therefore struggle to recruit members for said content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    Oh, I don't know... Maybe because if FCs actually mattered then recruitment would also matter, and it would end up being important to keep your FC clean of it?

    There would still be drama, you can never be rid of that, but people in FCs would make a lot more effort to avoid it.

    There's no real reason to be in a FC right now outside of buffs and the workshop(which only ranks get access to anyways). This means it's a mostly social group, and that people hop between them until they find the right one or they decide that they don't need one.

    If there was exclusive content for a FC suddenly most people would likely need one, but FCs would also need willing members for that content. This means there could be competitive recruitment, and competitive recruitment would lead to FCs attempting to reduce drama and treat their members better. Otherwise their FC could end up with a bad image, and therefore struggle to recruit members for said content.
    Competitive recruitment sounds like more shout spam. No thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    Oh, I don't know... Maybe because if FCs actually mattered then recruitment would also matter, and it would end up being important to keep your FC clean of it?

    There would still be drama, you can never be rid of that, but people in FCs would make a lot more effort to avoid it.

    There's no real reason to be in a FC right now outside of buffs and the workshop(which only ranks get access to anyways). This means it's a mostly social group, and that people hop between them until they find the right one or they decide that they don't need one.

    If there was exclusive content for a FC suddenly most people would likely need one, but FCs would also need willing members for that content. This means there could be competitive recruitment, and competitive recruitment would lead to FCs attempting to reduce drama and treat their members better. Otherwise their FC could end up with a bad image, and therefore struggle to recruit members for said content.
    Even if there was a need to make FCs be more than they are now, taking a game where they don't play a big role and deciding that almost 10 years into the life of that game you want to fundementally change that is not a very good or welcome idea. You don't shake up your core player base like that, that's how you get people leaving in droves because the game they used to like suddenly veered in a different direction. FCs are a social group and that's fine. You join one either created by your friend group or it becomes your in-game friend group and that's it. There's nothing wrong with how it is now. Any attempt to drastically change that won't be well received by the general player base.

    And that's all aside from the fact that any content that would be gatekept behind FC only participation would be carved directly out of what would normally get released to the general player base. We'd be getting fewer of something else in order for it to be saved for FCs, and anyone not in a large active FC would effectively get less content released in the game going forward.
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    Last edited by VerdeLuck; 12-31-2022 at 01:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    There's no real reason to be in a FC right now outside of buffs and the workshop(which only ranks get access to anyways). This means it's a mostly social group, and that people hop between them until they find the right one or they decide that they don't need one.
    Which is ... exactly what it should be? This sound more like you want a static and not an FC. People group up in static for content, with or without the social aspect. But people should only be an FC if it's a good social fit.

    Again, you don't want to force people who don't want to be in an FC to be in an FC. And trust me, you probably don't want to have those people in your FC either.
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