Problem with the new deep dungeon (Eureka Orthos)

[FireMage]

All I'm hearing is a disgusting lack of empathy for others.

All I'm hearing is a disgusting need to be a victim.

Oh noes I have to fly a short distance the inhumanity

[DamianFatale]

All I'm hearing is a disgusting need to be a victim.

Oh noes I have to fly a short distance the inhumanity

This anti victim mentality only harms people. For some reason as soon as someone mentions even slightly that they have a mental disability, or that something happens there is this vocal group of people that are like VICTIM! HOW BAD. STOP WHINING. SHUT UP. etc. Its very ablest, and it needs to not be a thing. Can we just be nice to people, and hear them out? I never said anything to make anyone feel bad. I'm asking you nicely to please stop.

I don't know who treated you bad, and made you have such a hardened heart, but its just sad to see. You deserve better than to put people down for sharing their feelings about things.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

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It is quite uncommon of me to agree with your views. While this thread is not one of those, you might want to ignore the arson. They're famous for derailing threads into flames and shifting all focus to themself.

[Iscah]

Is that little area actually instanced? There are other places where we need to get passed a closed gate without being a separate area.

Doesn't seem like it's a separate zone..,
though if one wanted to guess and create its own excuse. it's there to prevent lvl 50 flyers without the quest for CT progressed to enter the area.., or lore wise.., Get Reduced to Aether without the requisite crystal back and forth taken by a mischievous red cat. oh wait that last part doesn't exist like it used to anymore.

I think the practical reason is more specific than simply "keep people away from the tower until they're doing the questline", although that is the basic cause. The real issue is that the Mor Dhona zone is built with the sentinel statues already broken, and they are only seen intact (and then immediately smashed) in the cutscene when you first enter the area.

So that continuity issue seems to be the base reason for not allowing flying in that area, although you can still see them in the distance if you go to the right angle and know what you're looking at.

As for entering the deep dungeon, do we even know that we'll have to go to the tower entrance? I might have missed an announcement since I didn't watch the live letter in detail, but if I was the one setting up something like that, I'd probably put the entry NPC in Revenant's Toll or at least St Coinach's Find.


Also, I'm not sure what you mean about "that part of the questline not existing any more". All that was changed is that you don't need to wait for FATEs to obtain the crystals. The runabout for the aether sand is still intact.

[Zebraoracle]

It is quite uncommon of me to agree with your views. While this thread is not one of those, you might want to ignore the arson. They're famous for derailing threads into flames and shifting all focus to themself.

As much as I hate to say it, for once FireMage kind of actually has a point though. This is a shameful display that honestly makes me wonder if OP is just trolling. That initial meltdown post had me do a double take because I couldn't believe it was something I was actually reading.

[DamianFatale]

It is quite uncommon of me to agree with your views. While this thread is not one of those, you might want to ignore the arson. They're famous for derailing threads into flames and shifting all focus to themself.

I'll keep that in mind. Thank you for being kind to me despite not always agreeing with me. I really like that we could come together for peace. Especially on Christmas Eve. Happy Starlight.

[Renalt]

All I'm hearing is a disgusting lack of empathy for others.

The sheer fact you have me agreeing with Firemage goes to show you are upset...over absolutely nothing.

[Kaurhz]

All those things you could have done in 52 seconds. Such a tragedy. A serious, and unparalleled tragedy has been inflicted upon us.

[FireMage]

This anti victim mentality only harms people. For some reason as soon as someone mentions even slightly that they have a mental disability, or that something happens there is this vocal group of people that are like VICTIM! HOW BAD. STOP WHINING. SHUT UP. etc. Its very ablest, and it needs to not be a thing. Can we just be nice to people, and hear them out? I never said anything to make anyone feel bad. I'm asking you nicely to please stop.

I don't know who treated you bad, and made you have such a hardened heart, but its just sad to see. You deserve better than to put people down for sharing their feelings about things.

No, the one that will stop is you. I will not back down. It is beyond offensive to try and use a mental disability as a shield from people calling you out over a non issue. Beyond gross

[rainichan]

As someone with a mental disability, this really sucks. ...

It's not really needed, though. That's what I was getting at with my own comment. An extra 15 seconds of on-foot travel is not going to hurt anyone. It's not an entire map in a new area in a new expansion that we have to traverse on foot until we unlock all the aether currents which is a lot more frustrating than a no-enemy walk from the destroyed gate to the stairs.

On top of that, if it's an instanced area (or "instanced" for other reasons), that's likely why there's no flying there, it was just never added during their map reworks or. as others pointed out, to keep people out who hadn't unlocked the raid series. If it gets added later, great, but I don't think it will since we don't have true map layers locked to progress. The area's going to be turbo congested come 6.35 as it is, I don't want it being worse because of people blocking the NPC with their flying whale mounts in the air. It'll be irritating enough with people on their mounts on the ground as it is. You can mount up in there and it'll take more time dismounting and mounting back up tbh.

Sorry about your disabilities, but they aren't excuses, just explanations for things. I see your explanation and it makes sense for your initial post, but then to use it as an excuse to be rude to people is pretty gross. I have mental illnesses but I don't try to weaponize them to make people feel bad for being mean to me. I move on. This is a topic where you may have a few people agree but most are going to see it as a non-issue, because it really is a non-issue. If it's that bad of an issue for you, get into a party and someone else can go to the NPC for you and queue your group in since it'll probably act like the other two areas are: as long as you're on the map where the entrance is, you can queue. Problem solved.