PLD changes; thoughts?

[Absurdity]

Isn’t that just because the blade combo occupies the gcds where you reapply goring in the shadowbringers rotation? CoS is entirely separate.

Pretty much. I have no idea why people complained about the Goring and Valor DoT not stacking, the blade combo literally just replaced the goring combo you would've normally done after confiteor.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Pretty much. I have no idea why people complained about the Goring and Valor DoT not stacking, the blade combo literally just replaced the goring combo you would've normally done after confiteor.

Usually it's the people that don't bother to learn rotations, or understand why a rotation works the way it does, nor think of knock on effects of changes with rotation alignments with raid buffs or don't care and just think, "this would be cool" ignoring the practical applications. So not really a big mystery why they ask, just gotta drown out the stupid, and listen to the people that show they actually play at a competent level.

[RyuuZero]

Isn’t that just because the blade combo occupies the gcds where you reapply goring in the shadowbringers rotation? CoS is entirely separate.

yeah that might be true, I use FoF to boost CoS and Spirits Within Expiacion because those are physical+ have the same Cool Down and funnily I used up all my MP in Shadowbringers, just so I could go back to the 1-2-3 Combo and build MP until Req is back. Now I play PLD like this: have MP? Req+ HolySpam into Confiteor into Blades, out of MP? FoF+CoS+Expiacion+Goring Combo into 1-2-3 Combo into AtonementSpam and another Goring Combo to have a DoT while I do the Req Combo. Which works for me on Paper but in practice I still end up having MP after Blades, so I continue Spamming Holy Spirit, looking like a Caster (but Blue Mage can't be a Tank.. huh..) until I have no MP anymore.. the upcomming Problem for me is at that Point my Req is Back but I have no MP so I do the FoF Stuff while Req sits ready to use ._. it's just nitpicking from my side though it's all good, but true I had an easier time with the PLD rotation in Shadowbringers, funnily.

[ForsakenRoe]

yeah that might be true, I use FoF to boost CoS and Spirits Within Expiacion because those are physical+ have the same Cool Down and funnily I used up all my MP in Shadowbringers, just so I could go back to the 1-2-3 Combo and build MP until Req is back. Now I play PLD like this: have MP? Req+ HolySpam into Confiteor into Blades, out of MP? FoF+CoS+Expiacion+Goring Combo into 1-2-3 Combo into AtonementSpam and another Goring Combo to have a DoT while I do the Req Combo. Which works for me on Paper but in practice I still end up having MP after Blades, so I continue Spamming Holy Spirit, looking like a Caster (but Blue Mage can't be a Tank.. huh..) until I have no MP anymore.. the upcomming Problem for me is at that Point my Req is Back but I have no MP so I do the FoF Stuff while Req sits ready to use ._. it's just nitpicking from my side though it's all good, but true I had an easier time with the PLD rotation in Shadowbringers, funnily.

They changed MP cost of Holy Spirit because in SHB, if you were forced away from the boss, you would lose uptime of regenerating MP via Riot Blade, and potentially end up at your Req window with below 80% (meaning Req's effect didnt trigger). Now you only need 5000 MP to do your Confiteor thing, the other 5000 is not there to be spammed away with naked Holy Spirits (they're 300 potency, equal to combo'd Riot Blade), it's there as insurance, and a way to have 'some MP spare for Clemency if its really needed' without gimping your Req window. Hardcasting Holy Spirits without Req does really bad damage, messes with your MP management, and misaligns your 60s loop pretty bad from raidbuffs

[Mikey_R]

yeah that might be true, I use FoF to boost CoS and Spirits Within Expiacion because those are physical+ have the same Cool Down and funnily I used up all my MP in Shadowbringers, just so I could go back to the 1-2-3 Combo and build MP until Req is back. Now I play PLD like this: have MP? Req+ HolySpam into Confiteor into Blades, out of MP? FoF+CoS+Expiacion+Goring Combo into 1-2-3 Combo into AtonementSpam and another Goring Combo to have a DoT while I do the Req Combo. Which works for me on Paper but in practice I still end up having MP after Blades, so I continue Spamming Holy Spirit, looking like a Caster (but Blue Mage can't be a Tank.. huh..) until I have no MP anymore.. the upcomming Problem for me is at that Point my Req is Back but I have no MP so I do the FoF Stuff while Req sits ready to use ._. it's just nitpicking from my side though it's all good, but true I had an easier time with the PLD rotation in Shadowbringers, funnily.

Because you don't continue using MP until you run out. They made PLD's magic combo cost less MP so that you can still Clemency after using it.

The combo is exactly the same as ShB with the exception of, after Confeiteor, you use Blade of Faith, Blade of Truth then Blade of Valor instead of Fast Blade, Riot Blade, Goring Blade. Do this and you find the rotation flows smoothly, with everything lining up. The only reason the blade combo has MP restoration is to make up for it replacing a Riot Blade, which would restore MP.

Even if you want to go off of potency, a Royal Authority + 3 Atonement is more potency per GCD than an unbuffed Holy Spirit cast. Even if you only use 2 Atonements to account for drift, it is still stronger per GCD than Holy Spirit. The only time Holy Spirit is stronger is when it is under Requiescat, which disappears once you use Confiteor, irregardless of how many stacks it has left.

Just because you didn't understand how things are meant to fit together in the rotation, doesn't then qualify that thing as being bad. Maybe, just maybe, learn how a job is supposed to function before you start blaming it for not making sense. PLD does have it's issues, however (in a vacuum) the rotation flow is not one of them.

[True-to-Caesar]

While the PLD rotation had nothing complicated if you knew what you’re doing, I’m curious how the rework will play out. Hopefully they make it more interesting because what we have right now is rather bland in my eyes compared to other tanks.

[Gserpent]

It's hilarious they held back PLD changes. Square-Enix, what the fuck are you so scared of? Do you know, deep down, that you're going to piss off a lot of people with the changes? Because if you think the changes will be received positively, why would you hide them?

Shouldn't that be cause for you to reconsider what you're about to do?

[Mikey_R]

It's hilarious they held back PLD changes. Square-Enix, what the fuck are you so scared of? Do you know, deep down, that you're going to piss off a lot of people with the changes? Because if you think the changes will be received positively, why would you hide them?

Shouldn't that be cause for you to reconsider what you're about to do?

They never release job changes in the preliminary notes, you have to wait for the full notes when maintenance happens.

[Absurdity]

They never release job changes in the preliminary notes, you have to wait for the full notes when maintenance happens.

They did release them before. It stopped with what, early Shadowbringers?

[Gserpent]

They never release job changes in the preliminary notes, you have to wait for the full notes when maintenance happens.

Yeah, I know. I'm saying it's ridiculous that a staggeringly successful developer is apparently living in stark, unmanning terror of... people being upset on the internet.