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    Do we know how the world has been created?

    So, i just woke up, and my brain just farted me this question, i also have poor memory, so if it is been told in the game i cannot remember it sorry.
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    There's a creation myth involving the Twelve in the creation of the world.
    https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w...tion_of_Eorzea

    In the beginning there was only the Whorl. Then Althyk appeared followed by time. From that point it seems that lands started to appear. The remaining of the Twelves appeared and shaped the world as they came.

    I don't know how accurate it is, but we may get the details in the alliance raids involving the Twelve.
    Since our gods seems to be the actual deal compared to those of tribes, i wouldn't surprise if this myth was accurate. We already got a lot of things right about them.
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    According to the Eorzean religion, 10 of the 12 gods and their descendants came out of a "Whorl" that must be important because it has a capital "W". They created the world and various things. Oschon just happened to show up so he's a mysterious outsider unrelated to the others but made the mountains as well as created a whole other god, Nald'thal, out of a fountain of magma. I'm sure we'll learn more about them and their origins soon enough. The time of these gods supposedly ended with a tumultuous period with everything being destroyed and remade and mankind suddenly appearing.

    We have nothing on the Ancients and only know of the world in the last few years or so of their civilization (minus the days RIGHT before the Sundering, which feels a bit important), which is a pity. But their end brought our worlds' beginnings and all our races just popped out of thin air in the aftermath of the Sundering despite the fact that the Eorzea Encyclopedia was adamant that mankind suddenly appearing is impossible and we instead evolved naturally over a long period of time. Considering we know now that in Eorzea evolution doesn't exist and almost everything either popped into existence after the Sundering (because of bad writing) or was created by a bored Ancient (also because of bad writing), the whole thing with the gods may be truer than we think.


    Far-Eastern religion's creation myth revolves around sun, moon, and party kami as well as some others descending Heaven-on-High to live in the mortal realm, but we know now that the tower was created by Allagans. Au Ra religion's creation myth instead is about the sun and the moon being an on-again, off-again couple who make the world but start fighting and make the Au Ra together to continue their fight. Dalmasca's religion, the Light of Kiltia, has no real lore in the game except for the fact that it exists and was basically pilfered from the Ivalice games.
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    At this point I hope they just leave it as myth and never explain it.

    Cause as we have learned with the afterlife, knowing the truth is just disappointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    We have nothing on the Ancients and only know of the world in the last few years or so of their civilization (minus the days RIGHT before the Sundering, which feels a bit important), which is a pity.
    There was a comment in Elpis by an Ancient npc who stated that primordial (pre-Ancient) Etheirys had been an "untamed wilderness" before the Ancients' civilization was formed, but whether that meant it already had naturally evolved lower lifeforms that the Ancients begun to improve or agument with Creation magic that they learned to harness, or if it was truly was a wasteland devoid of any non primitive life beyond bacteria, algae and fungi before the Ancients came along is unexplained.

    One of the guidebooks in Emet's reconstruction of Akademia Aynder stated also that the first Halmarut specialized in creating aquatic life and was thanks to them that Etheirys's oceans ended up with sea life, and from then on the Words of Halmarut at the Akademia taught the creation of aquatic species. But again whether they merely improved on natural born sea creatures like fish that was already residing there is unclear.
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    The OP has posted perhaps the absolute vaguest possible question, so there's absolutely no way of knowing if we're providing applicable answers. I can point out that we can't rule out the real-life explanation of 'the Big Bang made a bunch of stuff happen and eventually a rock happened to have stuff grow on it' (after all, several real-life stars get mentioned across the game), but I'm not sure if that's what they're asking about!

    I will say that there's a point where it probably doesn't matter enough for there to be an answer, though. The Sopranos didn't have to have an in-universe explanation for what killed the dinosaurs, that just doesn't affect the story that's being told. And similarly, FFXIV doesn't need to answer absolute base-line questions about how its world came into being if it doesn't matter why it did.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 12-23-2022 at 09:31 AM.

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    The FFXIV setting seems pretty materialist insofar as it operates on fantastical versions of real world scientific principles - entropy, baryonic matter vs dark matter, role-based ecosystems with natural selection (there's a few creatures that are explicitly defined as having adapted or changed over time, creation magic aside) - so my guess would be that it probably formed similarly to the real world, which is to say that a bunch of aether in space got pulled into the gravity well of the star and collided together to form a big rock.

    The setting has great apes, so my guess would be that the Ancients evolved from them, and started using magic once they became sapient in the same way that humans became tool users. There are several allusions scattered across Amaurot and Elpis regarding life having originally been harder and there having been conflict and wars, so presumably it was originally not as sophisticated as creation magic and they developed along the same lines as most civilizations in our own world.
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    Some Sharlayan scholar in Noumenon mentions that his life's pursuit is the "truth that lies at the core of the star".

    That and the weird prophecy from the Golden Dhyata make me wonder if there are still deeper truths to be gleaned about the nature of the star, but only time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Some Sharlayan scholar in Noumenon mentions that his life's pursuit is the "truth that lies at the core of the star".

    That and the weird prophecy from the Golden Dhyata make me wonder if there are still deeper truths to be gleaned about the nature of the star, but only time will tell.
    What prophecy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowclasper View Post
    What prophecy?
    “The serpent that sleeps in the deep slowly sheds its skin of old. Eventually, the serpent devours its tail and renders new flesh from its own. The pain felt will cause the earth to quake, mountains to crumble and rivers to run dry. Thus seven wedges must be driven into its back.” (Paraphrased from memory and thus may be worded a little differently)

    The "serpent" is believed to be the Lifestream according to the Studium quests that occur prior to the Golden Dhyata being repaired, afterwhich it simply sits in the Facet of Archaeology repeating the prophecy endlessly.

    Sounds ominous, but being a DoH quest I feel disinclined to think they'd lock a piece of lore that has critical relevance to the future behind such. Having to travel around Etheriys if not beyond to the shards in order to address some kind of abnormality with the Lifestream would make for an interesting second story arc IMO, though.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 12-26-2022 at 10:45 PM.

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