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[Soukyuu]

No it Doesn't, its programed using OpenCL which can use both Direct X Libraries and OpenGL. the PS3 only supports OpenCl v1.0 which only has compatibility With the DirectX 9 Libraries and OpenGL 3.x.

OpenCL is now in revision 1.2 which can handle Dx10/Dx11 libraries along with the latest version of OpenGL.

Err.. OpenCL is an API for GPGPU, just like CUDA except openCL code runs on any GPU. It has nothing to do with the graphics engine.

As for linux not having many games, it's an endless cycle: there are few games on linux -> people using linux are not interested in games or use windows -> the companies don't see it as a profitable platform -> there are few games on linux

[Delsus]

No it Doesn't, its programed using OpenCL which can use both Direct X Libraries and OpenGL. the PS3 only supports OpenCl v1.0 which only has compatibility With the DirectX 9 Libraries and OpenGL 3.x.

OpenCL is now in revision 1.2 which can handle Dx10/Dx11 libraries along with the latest version of OpenGL.

Heres the fun thing, I have been reading up on OpenCL after you posted that, and it seems OpenCL was approved for release on the 8th december 2008, however the PS3 was released in 2006, so what did PS3 use before the 2008 release of OpenCL if not OpenGL? Also if PS3 really uses OpenCL it has to have OpenGL compatibility or the 2006-8 games would not work (if they are that different) therefore PS3 can use OpenGL and therefore we can have a linux port of it.

Source (yes I know its Wikipedia)

Err.. OpenCL is an API for GPGPU, just like CUDA except openCL code runs on any GPU. It has nothing to do with the graphics engine.

As for linux not having many games, it's an endless cycle: there are few games on linux -> people using linux are not interested in games or use windows -> the companies don't see it as a profitable platform -> there are few games on linux

This is exactly it if triple A games do not make Linux versions, why would people run Linux for gaming when Wine has performance/graphics/compatibility issues with alot of games when they will run better in the system they were designed for. I for one would love to make use of the resources freed up by Ubuntu for gaming.

[Krausus]

I was looking at Ubuntu's site, and apparently over 20 million people use it if I'm remembering correctly. Not sure how many use Windows.

I doubt the 20 million that do use it use it exclusively.

[Dragon]

It would be the best thing in the world if game devs all over started supporting Linux. It'd mean less money going to Microsoft for Windows and more money going to devs and publishers while supporting a decent OS and would cause the single largest evolution in any industry ever.

As for linux not having many games, it's an endless cycle: there are few games on linux -> people using linux are not interested in games or use windows -> the companies don't see it as a profitable platform -> there are few games on linux

Yeah, that's what's sad about it.

[Soukyuu]

This is exactly it if triple A games do not make Linux versions, why would people run Linux for gaming when Wine has performance/graphics/compatibility issues with alot of games when they will run better in the system they were designed for. I for one would love to make use of the resources freed up by Ubuntu for gaming.

Well, maybe SE will take a first step. They should have less problems with linux than with windows, especially with their devs having more experience with openGL than with DirectX because of all the games they made for the PS3 *hint hint*

[Delsus]

Well, maybe SE will take a first step. They should have less problems with linux than with windows, especially with their devs having more experience with openGL than with DirectX because of all the games they made for the PS3 *hint hint*

We can always hope, as I have said the lack of compatibility without wine is why I still use Windows, open source is the way forward, why should I have to pay over £100 for a really bloated OS, when I can get one that is 50x better for free.

[Huginn]

Hi, I am known as Michael D, Maintainer of FFXI and FFXIV in WINE for Linux (and Mac). We do have version 1 working in linux with good results. I can tell you that FFXI is the NUMBER ONE LINUX GAME ON WINE and that FFXIV has a good following. I would love to work with the dev's on what we have used to get everything working, but since i do not think that they will ever want to talk to me, you can just take a look at this
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478
I am very much hoping to be in the 2.0 Beta as early as possible, so that we can work it out for linux as well. I personally use Kubuntu, because Ubuntu is just easy, and i like KDE.

TLR
we have it working in linux, and hope to make it even better.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

[indira]

it wont come to linux just because 90% of people wont know how to use it, most people dont know what a windows command line is. no way they will beable to do an install on linux cuz theres always things you need to install.

[Huginn]

it wont come to linux just because 90% of people wont know how to use it, most people dont know what a windows command line is. no way they will beable to do an install on linux cuz theres always things you need to install.

i would tend to disagree with part of your statement. Although many Linux users prefer to use command line (because it is faster and easier than clicking on a bunch of icons and searching around on the internet), you would not need to use any command line if SE made the game for linux and either themselves made a .deb, .rpm, .yum and apt or let the community do it for them, it would be as simple as putting in a CD or downloading a file and clicking on it to install FFXIV and then click to run it. The only additional installation step for running it on linux (or mac) would be to install linux in the first place, or get a computer that already runs linux.

Most people do not install windows on their computers themselves either.

[KoKuToru]

Programing on Windows is ugly.
It's so much easier to write stuff that runs on Linux/Apple then to write stuff that runs on Windows.
Write the game for Windows - DirectX.. and it only runs on Windows (if we wouldn't have wine)
Write the game for POSIX-based system + OpenGL and it will magically work on Linux/Apple/Windows.
So why write for windows only ? Why use DirectX only ? Why limit yourself ?

But as I said before.. DirectX is the devil. Give me an OpenGL switch and everything is fine.

Checkout Blizzard.
Why do their games run with DirectX ? Oh well good question.. most of them have an opengl-switch !
But who ever bought a game and checked for "Does it use DirectX ?"

Who cares if it's DirectX or OpenGL ? Do you ? Same graphics.. same peformance.

But I as Linux-user care! I need/want OpenGL

we have it working in linux, and hope to make it even better.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

Working is good.. GT430 or GTX460 doesn't matter, same speed (ArchLinux)
It's hard to get more than 15 fps... (newest wine version)
But yeah it's playable.
But yeah I hope 2.0 doesn't destroy my linux-gaming-world.
Because I have no windows and I don't want to own a closed window.

it wont come to linux just because 90% of people wont know how to use it

And these 90% know how to use windows? Good joke.

What they know is .. put in DVD
Install game by clicking on Setup icon.
Start the game by clicking on the icon.

Okay did you ever use a new modern Linux-system .. with gnome or kde ?
How would it work there ?
put in DVD
Install game by clicking on Setup icon.
Start the game by clicking on the icon.

Oh .. somehow how the same..