Linux

[Soukyuu]

I don't think the people speaking out against Linux actually understand how Linux works.

That's what I noticed too. They seem to be arguing against linux simply because it's linux.

But I still don't think FFXIV's dev team is competent enough to make an OpenGL game.

As said multiple times in this thread already, the PS3 uses openGL, so they certainly have more experience with openGL than with directX

[Delsus]

...and since they have games on the PS3, and are making XIV on the PS3...

It really seems this way, people don't seem to understand how easy linux is, install on Ubuntu:

Sudo apt-get *FFXIV package name* it downloads and installs, then click on the FFXIV logo in the draw.

Other distros:

Apt-get *FFXIV package name* it downloads and installs, then click on the FFXIV logo in the draw.

As opposed to open the installer, choose a location, install DirectX, wait for ages to install, then find it in all programs > Square Enix > FFXIV.

Which is easier based on these steps?

[Leyza]

It really seems this way, people don't seem to understand how easy linux is, install on Ubuntu:

Sudo apt-get *FFXIV package name* it downloads and installs, then click on the FFXIV logo in the draw.

Other distros:

Apt-get *FFXIV package name* it downloads and installs, then click on the FFXIV logo in the draw.

As opposed to open the installer, choose a location, install DirectX, wait for ages to install, then find it in all programs > Square Enix > FFXIV.

Which is easier based on these steps?

Well, I can tell you from experience Linux is easier!

[Delsus]

Well, I can tell you from experience Linux is easier!

I know it is from experiance, I can't wait to get a bigger HDD so dual boot is more viable for me (I fill a 500GB HDD with one OS)

[Soukyuu]

Hi, I am known as Michael D, Maintainer of FFXI and FFXIV in WINE for Linux (and Mac). We do have version 1 working in linux with good results. I can tell you that FFXI is the NUMBER ONE LINUX GAME ON WINE and that FFXIV has a good following. I would love to work with the dev's on what we have used to get everything working, but since i do not think that they will ever want to talk to me, you can just take a look at this
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478
I am very much hoping to be in the 2.0 Beta as early as possible, so that we can work it out for linux as well. I personally use Kubuntu, because Ubuntu is just easy, and i like KDE.

TLR
we have it working in linux, and hope to make it even better.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

WINE is extremely unreliable when it comes to network from my experience. For example, I just set everything up on ubuntu 12.04 and I am only getting network access when starting the program via command prompt, but not if I launch the exe directly.

And in case of ffxivboot, it fails it's version check no matter how I start it. It might be because I'm launching it from an NTFS partition, idk.

[Delsus]

WINE is extremely unreliable when it comes to network from my experience. For example, I just set everything up on ubuntu 12.04 and I am only getting network access when starting the program via command prompt, but not if I launch the exe directly.

And in case of ffxivboot, it fails it's version check no matter how I start it. It might be because I'm launching it from an NTFS partition, idk.

Are you running Ubuntu through Wubi or natively? If native copy your FFXIV files from Windows to an external HDD, boot to Ubuntu and reinstall the game on your Ubuntu partition via Wine (this works from the dvd) then copy the FFXIV files to your installation (overwriting everything) then run the game from the Ubuntu partition and it should work fine.

[KoKuToru]

WINE is extremely unreliable when it comes to network from my experience. For example, I just set everything up on ubuntu 12.04 and I am only getting network access when starting the program via command prompt, but not if I launch the exe directly.

And in case of ffxivboot, it fails it's version check no matter how I start it. It might be because I'm launching it from an NTFS partition, idk.

Okay..

0. Get a NVIDIA graphiccard.. install the original NVIDIA driver (not the opensource one) + Install lib32 version of it ! (when you are at 64bit)
1. Ubuntu .. check your wine version. Ubuntu loves it to use years old wine-versions. Get the newest version at http://www.winehq.org/
2. dump NTFS, copy everything onto ext3/ext4 don't forget to give the executeable-flag to ffxivboot.exe !
3. If you are at 64bit.. reinit your wine -> backup your files. Remove the ".wine" folder. First time start wine with "WINEARCH=win32 winecfg"
4. Install winetricks. Use it to install "d3dx9_36 ie6 winhttp wininet xact and msfont"
5. Start ffxivboot.exe..
6. Have fun at very slow performance (GTX460 3000[win] points vs 600[wine] points [ffxiv benchmark], and thats why a OpenGL client would help..)

I use it everyday, works pretty "okay". Performance is very sh**. But good enough to "not install windows".

At wine 1.3.31 you could use "orm=backbuffer" which .. really boosted performance a lot.. well shadow only worked half with it.
Every version after it you need to use "orm=fbo" it's a lot slower but correctly rendered. If you try to use "orm=backbuffer" you will get an upside down image.

EDIT:
Here is my start script which I use:

#!/bin/bash
export WINEDEBUG=-all
export __GL_YIELD=NOTHING
export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1

echo "start ffxivconfig"
wine ffxivconfig.exe

echo "set nvidia"
nvidia-settings -l

echo "start ffxivboot"
wine ffxivboot.exe&
FFXIV_BOOT_PID=$!
export LD_PRELOAD=

echo "wait for ffxivlogin"
until pidof "$(winepath -w ffxivlogin.exe)"; do
#wait 1 sec
sleep 1
done

echo "kill ffxivboot (because it's buggy)"
kill -9 $FFXIV_BOOT_PID
kill -9 $(pidof $(winepath -w ffxivboot.exe))

#remove the wine error box ? .. disable the error report..

[Mirage]

I know it is from experiance, I can't wait to get a bigger HDD so dual boot is more viable for me (I fill a 500GB HDD with one OS)

Well, if you install linux, that OS would be able to read all your media files you currently have without needing to make an additional copy of the files. That means your Linux partition will only need space forthe OS itself, which is just a few gigabytes, and because most non-game applications are pretty small, it would probably be unproblematic to only set aside something like 20 GB for all your Linux needs.

[Delsus]

Well, if you install linux, that OS would be able to read all your media files you currently have without needing to make an additional copy of the files. That means your Linux partition will only need space forthe OS itself, which is just a few gigabytes, and because most non-game applications are pretty small, it would probably be unproblematic to only set aside something like 20 GB for all your Linux needs.

I know all this I literally just removed Ubuntu after I installed Windows 8 and couldn't access grub, so I just removed the partition for the extra space rather than mess on getting grub back in the mbr.

[Mirage]

Yeah, Windows is kind of a dick when it comes to overwriting other bootloaders.