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[Valmonte]

i don't see why they need to do a whole rewrite, the PS3 Version is written in OpenCL.

[Mirage]

I'm no Linux user but I guess it would be fine if they tried to make the game in a way that wasn't WINE-unfriendly.

[KoKuToru]

Who cares about Linux ?


...

I am a 100% Linux user !
I am playing FFXIV with wine.. the performance is 1/4-1/10 of "real windows"
But who cares ? I love Linux !

Linux or Windows isn't the problem here !
Give me a Windows OpenGL client !
It will run perfectly fine with same performance at Linux (via wine [as long as you use NVIDIA]).

DirectX is evil !

[Delsus]

No way. It doesn't matter how many people actually use Linux, it's a matter of how many want to play games on it. Look at the statistics for things like the Humble Bundle: http://www.humblebundle.com/

Linux is a very niche market for games, which is why not many games are made for it. Mac users have relatively few choices in games as well, *especially* for MMOs, so even that would be more likely. Though, as others pointed out, the graphics engine wasn't built for it, so it's very unlikely.

The 2.0 engine is built around OpenGL because (as I said earlier) the PS3 uses OpenGL, all they need to do is port the PS3 client (made around OpenGL) to Linux.

Also people may not want to play games on Linux because they are forced to use Wine for most triple A games and there are compatibility problems for alot of programs, alot of graphics options aren't supported and you can take a performance hit running in an emulated environmnet, if more companies made more triple A games that run native to Linux I bet a lot more people would want to use it for gaming.

I'm no Linux user but I guess it would be fine if they tried to make the game in a way that wasn't WINE-unfriendly.

FFXIV is actually very Wine friendly, from what I have heard it runs alot better than native Windows, and providing they get the OpenGL right a native version should run even better because of the resources that are freed up using Linux

Who cares about Linux ?


...

I am a 100% Linux user !
I am playing FFXIV with wine.. the performance is 1/4-1/10 of "real windows"
But who cares ? I love Linux !

Linux or Windows isn't the problem here !
Give me a Windows OpenGL client !
It will run perfectly fine with same performance at Linux (via wine [as long as you use NVIDIA]).

DirectX is evil !

See above and I agree 100% Linux does trump Windows in every way except compatibility, Wine helps somewhat with that but it is a little spotty.

[Valmonte]

The 2.0 engine is built around OpenGL because (as I said earlier) the PS3 uses OpenGL, all they need to do is port the PS3 client (made around OpenGL) to Linux.

No it Doesn't, its programed using OpenCL which can use both Direct X Libraries and OpenGL. the PS3 only supports OpenCl v1.0 which only has compatibility With the DirectX 9 Libraries and OpenGL 3.x.

OpenCL is now in revision 1.2 which can handle Dx10/Dx11 libraries along with the latest version of OpenGL.

[Soukyuu]

No it Doesn't, its programed using OpenCL which can use both Direct X Libraries and OpenGL. the PS3 only supports OpenCl v1.0 which only has compatibility With the DirectX 9 Libraries and OpenGL 3.x.

OpenCL is now in revision 1.2 which can handle Dx10/Dx11 libraries along with the latest version of OpenGL.

Err.. OpenCL is an API for GPGPU, just like CUDA except openCL code runs on any GPU. It has nothing to do with the graphics engine.

As for linux not having many games, it's an endless cycle: there are few games on linux -> people using linux are not interested in games or use windows -> the companies don't see it as a profitable platform -> there are few games on linux

[Mirage]

No one is arguing that isn't usable. They are arguing that a large amount of the Ubuntu "population" aren't gamers, and even less are MMO gamers.

I think the best thing that could happen for FF14onLinux is a MacOS release of the game, which would mean they'd do an opengl version which WINE would like a lot.

[Huginn]

Hi, I am known as Michael D, Maintainer of FFXI and FFXIV in WINE for Linux (and Mac). We do have version 1 working in linux with good results. I can tell you that FFXI is the NUMBER ONE LINUX GAME ON WINE and that FFXIV has a good following. I would love to work with the dev's on what we have used to get everything working, but since i do not think that they will ever want to talk to me, you can just take a look at this
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478
I am very much hoping to be in the 2.0 Beta as early as possible, so that we can work it out for linux as well. I personally use Kubuntu, because Ubuntu is just easy, and i like KDE.

TLR
we have it working in linux, and hope to make it even better.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

[KoKuToru]

Programing on Windows is ugly.
It's so much easier to write stuff that runs on Linux/Apple then to write stuff that runs on Windows.
Write the game for Windows - DirectX.. and it only runs on Windows (if we wouldn't have wine)
Write the game for POSIX-based system + OpenGL and it will magically work on Linux/Apple/Windows.
So why write for windows only ? Why use DirectX only ? Why limit yourself ?

But as I said before.. DirectX is the devil. Give me an OpenGL switch and everything is fine.

Checkout Blizzard.
Why do their games run with DirectX ? Oh well good question.. most of them have an opengl-switch !
But who ever bought a game and checked for "Does it use DirectX ?"

Who cares if it's DirectX or OpenGL ? Do you ? Same graphics.. same peformance.

But I as Linux-user care! I need/want OpenGL

we have it working in linux, and hope to make it even better.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

Working is good.. GT430 or GTX460 doesn't matter, same speed (ArchLinux)
It's hard to get more than 15 fps... (newest wine version)
But yeah it's playable.
But yeah I hope 2.0 doesn't destroy my linux-gaming-world.
Because I have no windows and I don't want to own a closed window.

it wont come to linux just because 90% of people wont know how to use it

And these 90% know how to use windows? Good joke.

What they know is .. put in DVD
Install game by clicking on Setup icon.
Start the game by clicking on the icon.

Okay did you ever use a new modern Linux-system .. with gnome or kde ?
How would it work there ?
put in DVD
Install game by clicking on Setup icon.
Start the game by clicking on the icon.

Oh .. somehow how the same..

[Soukyuu]

Hi, I am known as Michael D, Maintainer of FFXI and FFXIV in WINE for Linux (and Mac). We do have version 1 working in linux with good results. I can tell you that FFXI is the NUMBER ONE LINUX GAME ON WINE and that FFXIV has a good following. I would love to work with the dev's on what we have used to get everything working, but since i do not think that they will ever want to talk to me, you can just take a look at this
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478
I am very much hoping to be in the 2.0 Beta as early as possible, so that we can work it out for linux as well. I personally use Kubuntu, because Ubuntu is just easy, and i like KDE.

TLR
we have it working in linux, and hope to make it even better.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

WINE is extremely unreliable when it comes to network from my experience. For example, I just set everything up on ubuntu 12.04 and I am only getting network access when starting the program via command prompt, but not if I launch the exe directly.

And in case of ffxivboot, it fails it's version check no matter how I start it. It might be because I'm launching it from an NTFS partition, idk.