The next "Oh, shit its Ranjit" post...

[Saraide]

Sometime writer just follow a formula without thinking too much about it. And the formula is "the protagonist always gonna get his butt kicked on the first encounter, going on the journey to power up, then go back and have a rematch". SB did the samethign with zenos, but at least it somewhat made sense.

Ranjit though? Absolutely none sense.

- It doesn't matter how much experience he has, the WoL's resume will make his look like a green recruit.
- He didn't just face the WoL, he had the ENTIRE scions + WoL gang up on him and bring all of them to their knee without breaking a sweat.


But those are not even the worst thing. After Endwalker Ranjit became even a worse in retrospect. The Scion being there as botched summon I can understand, but the WoL was summoned to the first in flesh and blood. As a being whose soul had 3-4 rejoining, even without accounting the experience, the raw power balance would be completely lopsided in the WoL's favor.

That's wrong. Endwalker did the same thing. In the sparring match with venat we held our ground despite the encounter by rights being far more lopsided.

[Raven2014]

That's wrong. Endwalker did the same thing. In the sparring match with venat we held our ground despite the encounter by rights being far more lopsided.

Uhm ... the difference is that was a sparring match? Have you ever had a sparring match in real life against a mentor? While they will commend your ability and even may say something that you make them fight for it, it's always in the context that they actually synch down to what they believe someone equal to your ability. In a do or die fight they will wipe your butt.

It's fairly obvious at that point Venat had a pretty good guess of our role and the gravitas of the situation. The match was more of a test of skill and mental fortitude of the WoL, she commend us to manage to push her as far as we did given our form, not that we manage to be her equal. It's the same as the fight when she tested us at the end. Through out Elpis eposide when a real risk evolve the Ancient all demonstrate abilities far above what we can do, and I don't mean by just simply creation magic. I mean ... she fly up and chase after the Meteion into space for a while ... think we can do that?

Like ... the WoL had fought to an inch of our life before, and it usually shows how spent we are in the after match, win or lose. Did you even see us or her try to catch our breath at the end of that sparring match?

[Saraide]

Uhm ... the difference is that was a sparring match? Have you ever had a sparring match in real life against a mentor? While they will commend your ability and even may say something that you make them fight for it, it's always in the context that they actually synch down to what they believe someone equal to your ability. In a do or die fight they will wipe your butt.

It's fairly obvious at that point Venat had a pretty good guess of our role and the gravitas of the situation. The match was more of a test of skill and mental fortitude of the WoL, she commend us to manage to push her as far as we did given our form, not that we manage to be her equal. It's the same as the fight when she tested us at the end. Through out Elpis eposide when a real risk evolve the Ancient all demonstrate abilities far above what we can do, and I don't mean by just simply creation magic. I mean ... she fly up and chase after the Meteion into space for a while ... think we can do that?

Like ... the WoL had fought to an inch of our life before, and it usually shows how spent we are in the after match, win or lose. Did you even see us or her try to catch our breath at the end of that sparring match?

Towards the end she got serious and didnt manage to crack our defense. Aetheric density is by far not all, combat mastery matters a lot. The fight against a full power hermes with the dummy brigade weakened to our level is another instance of overcoming the difference. As is the fight against hades in shb.

[Raven2014]

Towards the end she got serious and didnt manage to crack our defense.

Like I said, if the mentor judge that you can fight agaisnt 30% of their power, them getting serious is more like they have to use an extra 5% on top of that. Venat thought we can handle a 250lb bomb, and at the end she may decided to lob a 500lb bomb at us. But she's a being that can certain use a Nuke if needed. You can't be thinking that sparring match was her going full power ... do you?

As is the fight against hades in shb.

here is the point, the argument isn't about fighting a superior being a win. It's about it happening with good reason. Hade did completely overpower us (and the entire scion) in that fight:

- Then G'ahra showed up and literally summon an entire army of esterial warriors.
- Then we receive a power-up from Albert.
- Then we gang up on him again.
- Then the SCion use White Auracite to drain and restrain him. (The Auracite is like the DeusEx Machina against the Ascian in this game)
- Then we nuke him with the aether from all the most powerful lightwarden on the planet.

Unlike Ranjit where it go from nothing to everything with hardly any explanation or context at all.