The next "Oh, shit its Ranjit" post...

[Raven2014]

The PROBLEM with the Ranjit crap in shb is...who the H is Ranjit? Hes a serious threat to an on-the-regular godpuncher, because....Funny Master Asia reference?

Sometime writer just follow a formula without thinking too much about it. And the formula is "the protagonist always gonna get his butt kicked on the first encounter, going on the journey to power up, then go back and have a rematch". SB did the samethign with zenos, but at least it somewhat made sense.

Ranjit though? Absolutely none sense.

- It doesn't matter how much experience he has, the WoL's resume will make his look like a green recruit.
- He didn't just face the WoL, he had the ENTIRE scions + WoL gang up on him and bring all of them to their knee without breaking a sweat.


But those are not even the worst thing. After Endwalker Ranjit became even a worse in retrospect. The Scion being there as botched summon I can understand, but the WoL was summoned to the first in flesh and blood. As a being whose soul had 3-4 rejoining, even without accounting the experience, the raw power balance would be completely lopsided in the WoL's favor.

I mean, I get the intent behind Ran'jit's character. He's supposed to be a fallen hero, who's spent so long fighting the sin eaters and watching Minfilias die that it's broken him, convincing him that it's hopeless and the best he can do is enforce peace so at least the people of Eulmore can ride out the end of the world in peace and pleasure because there's just nothing else that can be done. The problem is that he's never shown actually doing anything other than being an arrogant dick. We never really get to know him or see who he actually is, so it falls kinda flat. Kinda reminded me of the Heavens' Ward.

Ranjit's role in the story should be as an antagonist to Thrance and Rin, not as a formulaic obstacle to the player. In fact, I was anticipating for having my butt kicked by another random NPC as per tradition in Endwalker, and was pleasantly suprised it didn't happen. I only hope it means the writer learnt the lesson.

[Boblawblah]

Sometime writer just follow a formula without thinking too much about it. And the formula is "the protagonist always gonna get his butt kicked on the first encounter, going on the journey to power up, then go back and have a rematch". SB did the samethign with zenos, but at least it somewhat made sense.

Ranjit though? Absolutely none sense.

- It doesn't matter how much experience he has, the WoL's resume will make his look like a green recruit.
- He didn't just face the WoL, he had the ENTIRE scions + WoL gang up on him and bring all of them to their knee without breaking a sweat.


But those are not even the worst thing. After Endwalker Ranjit became even a worse in retrospect. The Scion being there as botched summon I can understand, but the WoL was summoned to the first in flesh and blood. As a being whose soul had 3-4 rejoining, even without accounting the experience, the raw power balance would be completely lopsided in the WoL's favor.




Ranjit's role in the story should be as an antagonist to Thrance and Rin, not as a formulaic obstacle to the player. In fact, I was anticipating for having my butt kicked by another random NPC as per tradition in Endwalker, and was pleasantly suprised it didn't happen. I only hope it means the writer learnt the lesson.

I remember thinking after that cutscene, "Ok, this guy is going to have some insane power if he's just casually dumping on the WoL AND the Scions. I wonder what it is????" and...it was nothing. He's just some old dude that does magical kung fu. As you said, he should have been solely Thancred's enemy, with the WoL having little to nothing to do with him. Have the WoL be somewhere else when he shows up or something.

[Saraide]

Sometime writer just follow a formula without thinking too much about it. And the formula is "the protagonist always gonna get his butt kicked on the first encounter, going on the journey to power up, then go back and have a rematch". SB did the samethign with zenos, but at least it somewhat made sense.

Ranjit though? Absolutely none sense.

- It doesn't matter how much experience he has, the WoL's resume will make his look like a green recruit.
- He didn't just face the WoL, he had the ENTIRE scions + WoL gang up on him and bring all of them to their knee without breaking a sweat.


But those are not even the worst thing. After Endwalker Ranjit became even a worse in retrospect. The Scion being there as botched summon I can understand, but the WoL was summoned to the first in flesh and blood. As a being whose soul had 3-4 rejoining, even without accounting the experience, the raw power balance would be completely lopsided in the WoL's favor.

That's wrong. Endwalker did the same thing. In the sparring match with venat we held our ground despite the encounter by rights being far more lopsided.

[Raven2014]

That's wrong. Endwalker did the same thing. In the sparring match with venat we held our ground despite the encounter by rights being far more lopsided.

Uhm ... the difference is that was a sparring match? Have you ever had a sparring match in real life against a mentor? While they will commend your ability and even may say something that you make them fight for it, it's always in the context that they actually synch down to what they believe someone equal to your ability. In a do or die fight they will wipe your butt.

It's fairly obvious at that point Venat had a pretty good guess of our role and the gravitas of the situation. The match was more of a test of skill and mental fortitude of the WoL, she commend us to manage to push her as far as we did given our form, not that we manage to be her equal. It's the same as the fight when she tested us at the end. Through out Elpis eposide when a real risk evolve the Ancient all demonstrate abilities far above what we can do, and I don't mean by just simply creation magic. I mean ... she fly up and chase after the Meteion into space for a while ... think we can do that?

Like ... the WoL had fought to an inch of our life before, and it usually shows how spent we are in the after match, win or lose. Did you even see us or her try to catch our breath at the end of that sparring match?

[Saraide]

Uhm ... the difference is that was a sparring match? Have you ever had a sparring match in real life against a mentor? While they will commend your ability and even may say something that you make them fight for it, it's always in the context that they actually synch down to what they believe someone equal to your ability. In a do or die fight they will wipe your butt.

It's fairly obvious at that point Venat had a pretty good guess of our role and the gravitas of the situation. The match was more of a test of skill and mental fortitude of the WoL, she commend us to manage to push her as far as we did given our form, not that we manage to be her equal. It's the same as the fight when she tested us at the end. Through out Elpis eposide when a real risk evolve the Ancient all demonstrate abilities far above what we can do, and I don't mean by just simply creation magic. I mean ... she fly up and chase after the Meteion into space for a while ... think we can do that?

Like ... the WoL had fought to an inch of our life before, and it usually shows how spent we are in the after match, win or lose. Did you even see us or her try to catch our breath at the end of that sparring match?

Towards the end she got serious and didnt manage to crack our defense. Aetheric density is by far not all, combat mastery matters a lot. The fight against a full power hermes with the dummy brigade weakened to our level is another instance of overcoming the difference. As is the fight against hades in shb.

[Raven2014]

Towards the end she got serious and didnt manage to crack our defense.

Like I said, if the mentor judge that you can fight agaisnt 30% of their power, them getting serious is more like they have to use an extra 5% on top of that. Venat thought we can handle a 250lb bomb, and at the end she may decided to lob a 500lb bomb at us. But she's a being that can certain use a Nuke if needed. You can't be thinking that sparring match was her going full power ... do you?

As is the fight against hades in shb.

here is the point, the argument isn't about fighting a superior being a win. It's about it happening with good reason. Hade did completely overpower us (and the entire scion) in that fight:

- Then G'ahra showed up and literally summon an entire army of esterial warriors.
- Then we receive a power-up from Albert.
- Then we gang up on him again.
- Then the SCion use White Auracite to drain and restrain him. (The Auracite is like the DeusEx Machina against the Ascian in this game)
- Then we nuke him with the aether from all the most powerful lightwarden on the planet.

Unlike Ranjit where it go from nothing to everything with hardly any explanation or context at all.