Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[FireMage]

You are not proving a valid point at all and you don't understand a thing of what I said.

DPS meters is NOT in the game for the reason of that SE would permit that way for players to be able to lockout other players if they can't reach X dps, even if what they do is more than enough.

By adding the DPS meter = SE would permit people shaming over their DPS and it would be too much of a problem with harrashment and the likes that they simply would not bother to add it at all... what they should do though... they should remove the logging to peoples PC's by removing the entire combat log.

Way to kill raiding and therefore the game. Garbage idea

[Conadrium]

You are not proving a valid point at all and you don't understand a thing of what I said.

DPS meters is NOT in the game for the reason of that SE would permit that way for players to be able to lockout other players if they can't reach X dps, even if what they do is more than enough.

You can't shame on ilevel, it is labeled directly on the duty what is the minimum requirement, and it is doable at the minimum requirement, if you are good at your job of choice, most are scared for mechanics... so they rather want to skip them rather than to play them... that also raises quite a few good questions.

They can and do. Many party finders have requirements above the minimum. Without parses and “illegal tools” you’d have no way to prove you’re better than your shoulder pads.

Besides as others have pointed out, these tools are ALREADY in game. Anyone gatekeeping in this manner already has them.

[Delis]

I wonder what you guys did in the old days with difficult content when there was no DPS's meters and whatever else?

We used ACT. ACT came out in around '00-'01, in Everquest. It was designed to show proof to the devs that the warrior class had too low of a dps compared to the other two tanks. All we had was a taunt button, autoattack, a kick and we could throw a stone. While the other two tanks had the same plus spells, so we could not hold aggro as well as them and we were being bared ftom raids because we couldn't preform as well as the other two classes. (Class were being closed out of raids before ACT was even a thing?? Surely not, only that sort of toxic behavior is caused by the evilness of ACT..)Devs said nah you guys are good so we had to get proof. Then once ACT came out people seen it could be a good way to track personal and groups dps. So it's been around for almost as long as mmos.

[Themarvin]

We used ACT. ACT came out in around '00-'01, in Everquest. It was designed to show proof to the devs that the warrior class had too low of a dps compared to the other two tanks. All we had was a taunt button, autoattack, a kick and we could throw a stone. While the other two tanks had the same plus spells, so we could not hold aggro as well as them and we were being bared ftom raids because we couldn't preform as well as the other two classes. (Class were being closed out of raids before ACT was even a thing?? Surely not, only that sort of toxic behavior is caused by the evilness of ACT..)Devs said nah you guys are good so we had to get proof. Then once ACT came out people seen it could be a good way to track personal and groups dps. So it's been around for almost as long as mmos.

Tell me how world first get it done without?

[Zebraoracle]

Man, some of these anti-in game meters posts are just... so exhausting to read. Combating anecdotal evidence with anecdotal evidence does nothing because "feelings and only my experience matters", and the leaps of logic can't be argued with because no logic actually exists because, again, feelings.

[Tyjacon]

Players owning multiple houses, exploited not intended.
FC's owning multiple FC houses, exploited not intended.
Single member FC's, exploited not intended.
And the players who have exploited these systems always claim that if it wasn't intended they wouldn't have included a method to obtain this.

And you honestly think players wouldn't exploit an in game parser?

I can just imagine the forums blowing up if they were to ever include an in game parser and someone gets banned because of it, they would claim that if it wasn't intended to be used like that it wouldn't have been put in the game.

[Ransu]

Knowing who is dead weight and treating them as such isn't toxic, what's toxic is being the dead weight

"Being toxic towards someone in extremely casual dungeon or alliance raid runs is totally not toxic at all" eyeroll

Players like you are deserving of perma bans.

I dunno, I have a hot take for you.

I've blind progged numerous MINE Ex and Savage raids. I dont consider myself particularly good. I might go as far as to say that I suck half of the time and am passably decent the other half. In other words, if I can do it, anyone can. People need to stop being babies and just get on with it.

As long as you clear the mechanics and do passable dps to clear the dps check I don't care if someone isn't breaking the top tier numbers... People who get caught up in that stuff are usually crap at the game...which was proven in another thread where the person you quoted was shown to mess up mechanics constantly lol. He can have all the "leet dps" he wants, but it means nothing if he keeps wiping the party by failing mechanics.

[FireMage]

"Being toxic towards someone in extremely casual dungeon or alliance raid runs is totally not toxic at all" eyeroll

Players like you are deserving of perma bans.

Removing someone not pulling their weight is dealing with toxicity, not the other way around. This is a fact, your feelings on the matter are irrelevant

[Atelier-Bagur]

Seriously fellas, stop feeding FireMage direct responses

[BaconBits]

Seriously fellas, stop feeding FireMage direct responses