Stop hating on players that have housing

[Silvarer]

The hate isn't against 'people who have housing' but against 'people who have housing, and yet feel entitled enough to demand even more content for their exclusive little club while the lack of space remains an issue.

This is the most bizarre and pointlessly bitter take you could possibly have. People who own houses are players of the game just like anyone else. They have just as much right to want content for what they enjoy as anyone else. There is nothing exclusive or elitist about it.

And to head any dumb attempts at accusations off at the pass, no I don't own a house either and have never even tried to bid on one. I just think the bitterness some people have over this specific thing has gotten way out of proportion.

[Raven2014]

The hate isn't against 'people who have housing' but against 'people who have housing, and yet feel entitled enough to demand even more content for their exclusive little club while the lack of space remains an issue.

There is bad take, and there is worse take. Yours - is the latter.

[Heroman3003]

This is the most bizarre and pointlessly bitter take you could possibly have. People who own houses are players of the game just like anyone else. They have just as much right to want content for what they enjoy as anyone else. There is nothing exclusive or elitist about it.

And to head any dumb attempts at accusations off at the pass, no I don't own a house either and have never even tried to bid on one. I just think the bitterness some people have over this specific thing has gotten way out of proportion.

Sorry for having so little belief in OP's good intentions after they started a thread in General Discussions with this in their preface:

And if you don't have a house I dont want to hear you say "well at least you have a yard" or "INSTANCED housing I dont care" because this isn't your thread.

This is literally that very elitism. "No landless peasants in my thread where I complain about limited size of my vineyard".

[Silvarer]

Sorry for having so little belief in OP's good intentions after they started a thread in General Discussions with this in their preface:



This is literally that very elitism. "No landless peasants in my thread where I complain about limited size of my vineyard".

No, it was very clearly an attempt by them to ward off the bitterness people like you always bring into housing threads to derail the discussion. Should they have worded it in a more polite and less aggressive way? Certainly. But you really need to take that chip off your shoulder and take a look at the way you’ve been behaving.

[Heroman3003]

No, it was very clearly an attempt by them to ward off the bitterness people like you always bring into housing threads to derail the discussion. Should they have worded it in a more polite and less aggressive way? Certainly. But you really need to take that chip off your shoulder and take a look at the way you’ve been behaving.

The only reason they even got 'hate' was that behaviour of elitism of house owners they displayed. And 'hate' is a strong word when its just being called out on way they are acting. And that's why they deserve to be called out same way in this thread as well. Framing of one's demands is important and theirs is framed purely in "I want more resources dedicated to making exclusive content deeper instead of making it less exclusive (which would require those same resources) and I dont opinions of those who can't access said exclusive content." That's what their original post read like, they got justly called out on it, so they made a second one demanding the 'hate' towards the poor abused homeowners stop.

[Deveryn]

No, it was very clearly an attempt by them to ward off the bitterness people like you always bring into housing threads to derail the discussion. Should they have worded it in a more polite and less aggressive way? Certainly. But you really need to take that chip off your shoulder and take a look at the way you’ve been behaving.

It was a poor attempt. I already covered this. If it started off more polite, we wouldn't be having these back and forths.

[Hoehenflug]

The only reason they even got 'hate' was that behaviour of elitism of house owners they displayed. And 'hate' is a strong word when its just being called out on way they are acting. And that's why they deserve to be called out same way in this thread as well. Framing of one's demands is important and theirs is framed purely in "I want more resources dedicated to making exclusive content deeper instead of making it less exclusive (which would require those same resources) and I dont opinions of those who can't access said exclusive content." That's what their original post read like, they got justly called out on it, so they made a second one demanding the 'hate' towards the poor abused homeowners stop.

And what makes you more entitled? SE answer to the housing shortage has been implementing new servers. What YOU are demanding is putting those figurative 'resources' into implementing unlimited wards, which won't happen any time soon.

Meanwhile, people like me have accepted the situation for what it is, moved on from idealism and are house owners now for taking the appropriate measures, e.g. farming Gil or moving servers.

We were dedicated, we listened to SE, analyzed their past behaviour and acted accordingly.

What you are demanding is just as 'selfish'. And btw, those resources are likely completely different forms of data storage and like completely different teams.

We shouldn't demand less, but we also shouldn't jump at each other's throat for making demands that don't reflect our own. Especially not, if they are just unscientific, emotional rambling.

Also no, there are no 'poor abused homeowners'. You make us laugh.

[Heroman3003]

And what makes you more entitled? SE answer to the housing shortage has been implementing new servers. What YOU are demanding is putting those figurative 'resources' into implementing unlimited wards, which won't happen any time soon.

Meanwhile, people like me have accepted the situation for what it is, moved on from idealism and are house owners now for taking the appropriate measures, e.g. farming Gil or moving servers.

We were dedicated, we listened to SE, analyzed their past behaviour and acted accordingly.

What you are demanding is just as 'selfish'. And btw, those resources are likely completely different forms of data storage and like completely different teams.

We shouldn't demand less, but we also shouldn't jump at each other's throat for making demands that don't reflect our own. Especially not, if they are just unscientific, emotional rambling.

Also no, there are no 'poor abused homeowners'. You make us laugh.

New servers is a terrible answer, as that demands existing players move to said other servers. It doesn't solve the problem which at its core lies in one, simple aspect: housing is limted per world. Demanding someone abandon friends or community just to own a house is unreasonable. They showed themselves perfectly capable of handling huge amount of smaller housing with apartments too. and yet, they are too afraid to stop the few truly housing-exclusive features from being exclusive. There'd be no problem with housing as limited thing if there weren't features only available to house owners, but as long as there are, the very fact that there is no instanced housing that has access to everything current housing does should be offensive to the community.

[Hoehenflug]

New servers is a terrible answer, as that demands existing players move to said other servers. It doesn't solve the problem which at its core lies in one, simple aspect: housing is limted per world. Demanding someone abandon friends or community just to own a house is unreasonable. They showed themselves perfectly capable of handling huge amount of smaller housing with apartments too. and yet, they are too afraid to stop the few truly housing-exclusive features from being exclusive. There'd be no problem with housing as limited thing if there weren't features only available to house owners, but as long as there are, the very fact that there is no instanced housing that has access to everything current housing does should be offensive to the community.

Well, what you have to understand is that ultimately, SE is very slow to act. Your idealism will lead you nowhere, but frustration.

Most people have adapted to being trans-server players nowadays. Also, it's literally 1-2 clicks. If you are playing the MB, and you should if you want a house, you will quickly include it into your daily routine anyway. You can still connect via linkshells, discord etc.

Or you could make an alt on said server and get a house and visit it with friends. Obviously, that isn't optimal, but it won't change for now.

Also, for the remaining housing features: 1. Outdoor Space 2. Gardening 3. Multiple Layer Housing

1. SE said it will think about ways to include Outdoor Items on the IS. Let's see.

2. Gardening is done by a VERY small minority, because it is ultimately not worth it. Gardening prices have been tanking ever since they implemented the new servers. It's hardly worth it anymore. You get a similiar experience from IS. But ideally, sure.

3. Idk why they are reluctant to expand on apartments.

Ideally, this should all be a thing. Surely. But it won't. For now. The sooner you realise this, the better for you.

And so, can we in the meantime not attack people? Did you know that there are about less than 10 trees? Believe me or not, if you have a house long enough, you will understand how limited and bareboned the Outdoor System actually is.

So, yea, can we please stop demonizing housing owners? Just like in RL, there are many different layers to consider. Attacks will lead us nowhere.

Edit bad math inc for our Datacenter:

8x Mats ~30k=240k+5k*8 soil= 280k
thav onion= 80k glazenut= 20k ~5g+3to= 340k

It was worth it when Thav Onions were 200k above and soil was dirty cheap, but those times are gone.

That's why many people drop it, eventually. You can make more money within an hour and without being bound to your garden for 7 whole days.

[Kyssa]

Honestly, there have been allegations over the years that indicate SE isn't exactly free of stuff like that either.

I think it can put people in an awkward spot down the line if any of it ends up going mainstream in the west.

Really? I'm somewhat new to SE- I'll be 2 years w/ this game come March. I've never heard of this at all.

I think there is/was enough evidence with Blizzard that it's past allegations though. What so many of those folks did was just plain monstrous- and as a consumer (and human being), IMO, unforgivable. I'd never support anything with their name on it again.


Heck, the photos and screenshots alone are damning, let alone what anyone had to say about it.
https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...ite-1847378762