Automatic Home Demolition is Resuming!!

[UkcsAlias]

Given that each major content patch is 3-4 months apart, an auto demolition timer of at least 90 to 120 days is more tolerable if their advice to players is to unsub during content lull to avoid losing their houses.

If someone only cares about the MSQ and new content, its unlikely they care much about housing.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

The 45 day auto demolition for houses is really egregious and runs contrary to YoshiP comments that one should simply unsub during a content lull.

Given that each major content patch is 3-4 months apart, an auto demolition timer of at least 90 to 120 days is more tolerable if their advice to players is to unsub during content lull to avoid losing their houses.

45 is more then generous I say 2 weeks should be the timer honestly. You know the risks involved if you go for a house and then plan to go away for a while. I find it funny these days that people expect things to be set in stone when in reality nothing is guaranteed at all in life and one should expect to lose a house due to unforeseen circumstances or decide to stop playing. At the end of the day you can say "well Yoshi P says to unsub and come back" but see there is a catch. You stop playing you forgo all rights therefore if you decide to quit or go away for a long time

[Amarande]

At the end of the day you can say "well Yoshi P says to unsub and come back" but see there is a catch. You stop playing you forgo all rights therefore if you decide to quit or go away for a long time

Again, the problem is less this of itself as the fact that the game is bad at providing a smooth enough interest curve.

In other words, if you need to enter your house every 45 days, the game really needs to encourage you to actually play that often. Otherwise, a lot of players are in fact logging in just to refresh their housing timer, and paying what's basically at that point nothing more than a rent on their ingame house.

Unfortunately, as I've mentioned before, the game does not do this. Most new content is short enough that you will easily consume it within a few hours, and most that is not so puts massive practical pressure to keep up with the community, so that either way, the present state of affairs heavily encourages you to consume every content drop right away (even though Yoshida ostensibly wants you to pace yourself) and therefore have these months-long periods where there is little or nothing to do.

Maybe a middle ground would be for demolition timers to simply not tick as long as the owner maintains an active paid subscription, doing away with the ritual of physically logging in to reset the timer? It seems rational that if you're still paying for the service, you care enough that you deserve to keep your house (do you lose your home IRL if you take a long vacation abroad but still pay the rent?). It also might mean that a lot of the blanket timer pauses could be eliminated (because while the situation might be bad enough a lot of people can't game, I'd suspect in most of these cases people at least do have some means of being able to get to Mog Station to pay sub, or have multi-month subs or large enough Crysta deposits).

[Heroman3003]

Again, the problem is less this of itself as the fact that the game is bad at providing a smooth enough interest curve.

In other words, if you need to enter your house every 45 days, the game really needs to encourage you to actually play that often. Otherwise, a lot of players are in fact logging in just to refresh their housing timer, and paying what's basically at that point nothing more than a rent on their ingame house.

Unfortunately, as I've mentioned before, the game does not do this. Most new content is short enough that you will easily consume it within a few hours, and most that is not so puts massive practical pressure to keep up with the community, so that either way, the present state of affairs heavily encourages you to consume every content drop right away (even though Yoshida ostensibly wants you to pace yourself) and therefore have these months-long periods where there is little or nothing to do.

Maybe a middle ground would be for demolition timers to simply not tick as long as the owner maintains an active paid subscription, doing away with the ritual of physically logging in to reset the timer? It seems rational that if you're still paying for the service, you care enough that you deserve to keep your house (do you lose your home IRL if you take a long vacation abroad but still pay the rent?). It also might mean that a lot of the blanket timer pauses could be eliminated (because while the situation might be bad enough a lot of people can't game, I'd suspect in most of these cases people at least do have some means of being able to get to Mog Station to pay sub, or have multi-month subs or large enough Crysta deposits).

The answer to that is simple. Its not the game's failure to provide interest. It's people's failure to realize that if the only reason they log in is to refresh the house, they aren't actually using it and they should relinquish it at that point. Ironically enough, if more people did that, a lot of spaces in housing districts would start freeing up and have more flow through them. But that would never happen, because people are too greedy over the limited housing resource and are willing to pay subscription on game they dont play to keep ownership of content they don't use.

[Corrupted]

45 is more then generous I say 2 weeks should be the timer honestly.

By that logic, why stop there? Have it set to 1 week your sub is 30 days, that's only 4 times you need to login! Or just make it daily, same reasoning : )

[Bobby66]

By that logic, why stop there? Have it set to 1 week your sub is 30 days, that's only 4 times you need to login! Or just make it daily, same reasoning : )

I would be all for making it 24 hours.

[MistyMew]

I love housing and hate msq and gearing
What content people like is HIGHLY individual.

The timer is far toooooo short.
if someone remains subbed that's all it should take to keep ones house.
If they do unsub the timer should be maybe 6 months at the minimum before any timer starts ticking.
Having to log in EVEN WHILE PAYING is insanity and very shady of SE.

Apartments are small, ugly and useless IMO,so apartments are not an option for many people.
The timer is cringy and very questionable for PAYING customers.

I want everyone to get homes I have always HEAVILY preached to se to improve their broken design from the first day!!!
BUT to steal away something I paid for ingame if i dont log in in x amount of days? wtf?
everything in the game is their property but the act of this is VERY questionable and downright tacky as f*ck.

*People agree to insanity because they are desperate which blinds common sense, I understand how it happens.*

But the fact that those in charge designed this broken idea....and obviously think its ok? makes me question Yoshi and every other developers IQ.
They are way out of touch and STILL have not even come close to solving the issues for the last 8 years.
/slowgolfcalp Yoshi.

[DeNada]

I don't even know why ppl are so adamant on not increasing the auto demolition timer.

Look, I'm on your side here. I want everyone to get a house and not lose them due to an auto demolition timer which is way too restricting.

If you really want to blame someone on the shortage of houses, it should really be players who hoard multiple houses and SE who is not taking any actions against such anti-social behavior in a MMO.

[ameliaw]

I don't even know why ppl are so adamant on not increasing the auto demolition timer.

Look, I'm on your side here. I want everyone to get a house and not lose them due to an auto demolition timer which is way too restricting.

If you really want to blame someone on the shortage of houses, it should really be players who hoard multiple houses and SE who is not taking any actions against such anti-social behavior in a MMO.

The amount of houses that would go back to the market if they took action against those with multiple houses would be incredibly small in comparison to auto demolition.

[Corrupted]

The amount of houses that would go back to the market if they took action against those with multiple houses would be incredibly small in comparison to auto demolition.

Is it though? Were talking several wards taken that would be released at once (assuming they don't have brain damage), that's a lot of houses to cast your lot in VS the odd gotcha house with 50+ bidders on it