[Suggestion] Please let Discipine of the Land has some more battle capability.

[Alise]

If I remember correctly, Tanaka used to set his goal on DoH/DoL as one individual own class that players could play from start until end. However, Yoshida has his opinion differently and plan to change DoH/DoL become just sub-set in v 2.0.

I think I prefer the yoshida decision, because I couldn't see how players could have all the fun by playing as DoL/DoH alone and avoid all the fighting. Battle is one of the most important aspect in MMO game,

However, the current situation has failed on logic so badly. Says... You are a master of figther who has highest rank skills in martial art, sword play, axe, spear, bow, and all the spells. Then, one days you explore into a cave and you see some gold mine. So you pick up a pickaxe and suddenly your battle capability become near zero that you could died from little rat. How does this make sense here? Why can't you use your axe skills on your pickaxe? Why your HP drop all suddenly just because you take pickaxe on your hand? Is the pickaxe drain all of your strength from you because it is cursed?

I'm agree with you here, Mr Yoshida that it is fun to have some battle in the game, and I think it would be better if you have to do challenge battle while mining in dangerous cave for high rank ore. Which is why I have two suggestions here to offer. it may not be the best, but it is what would make mining more fun task in my opinion. Also, not fail from common sense too hard.


Plan A . Remove DoL from bad armory system and turn it into a real sub-set rank from battle-classes as mentioned before. (No longer make DoL a main class)
Says you could be a R50 Gladiator, and R43 miner at the same time. You equip Sword and Shield on your weapon slot, while you equal pickaxe on your "pack slot". Then, you could use your pickaxe anytime you spot the mine without changing class from Gladiator. This is the system that most RPG game use so far. You never change your class just because you want to gathering, you always do it on your battle class. (of course, there could be variation between people who wears battle suit to focus on battle status, or wears gathering suit to focus on gathering)

Plan B : Allow DoL to use some WS and ability from battle classes in weaker form.
DoL tool also need to have minimal "damage" "DPS" status too. (I think FF13 has weapon similar to fishing rod that Vanilla is using, so make those weapon capability wouldn't fail on FF logic). This way will allow DoL to put up little fight by himself. Content that require fighting mix with gathering will become possible. And it should not be a problem when 2.0 will require everybody to have battle class as main. (Plan B is incase if you can't remove DoL from armory system or make it a sub)


To me, I wish that 2.0 would follow the traditional RPG style and choose the plan B! Gathering would be much less hassle, and it could be a lot more fun than the current situation that majority are complaining. Gathering class should never be main class since the beginning, I never heard any other game make it that way before. Not even FF11. So I would like you to make it a real "sub" class. Please remove it from the current way as how your main status are based of it only which disable all battle aspect.

Thank for reading. It is just my 2 cent. Please feel free to make any like/dislike comments.


Edit: somehow, there are people reply it and misunderstand my post in opposite way.
So here is to sum up this thread in short :

1. I want DoL to be completely sub class, please remove it from armory system just like any other RPG where you can hold pickaxe to mine any times without change into a weak miner.
2. If DoL can't be sub-class due to limitation. Then at least give DoL some battle ability to fight obstructed mob without change class. (it is so annoying to change class while you gathering!!!)

[KiriA500]

No. Having DoH/DoL in battle is an awful idea. All you would be is a weaker version of a battle class you already have.

Let gathering classes remain gathering classes. They already have the ability to obtain items you can't get otherwise, they have no other role in the world other than to provide resources.

What needs to happen is make them a little more exciting though. I like gathering, but it can get pretty boring after a while.

[Jinko]

Terrible idea, please leave DoL/DoH as secondary classes.

Hell IMO they shouldn't be classes at all and more like professions, similar to FF11, WoW, Tera and every other MMO out there.

I'm all for more content like Hamlet, including DoH and DoL in specific dungeons might be an interesting concept. (A miner removing a large rock allowing access to an optional boss)

[Molly_Millions]

two words: Hamlet Defense

DoL/DoH should not be involved in battle otherwise.

[Raistlin]

so in the end you want a class than can play as DoW or DoM and plus crafting? NO

[JDR388]

I dunno, it could be nice to equip a weak version of chameleon or cure on to my gatherer during hamlets. There are many times I wish I could add some of the more 'supporty' skills on my miner and it stands to reason that my charecter didn't just forget how to use them.

Gatherers should not have any of their own battle skills however, for balance reasons. Nobody should ever feel compelled to level DoH to support Dow/DoM outside of the obvious use.

[Alise]

Hmmm, a lot of people misunderstanding here!
I wonder which part of the message from the OP that make you guys think that I want DoL as main class? (Please tell me/ quote so that I know to fix it and make it more clear)

Plan A = If they can make it a sub class. Yes please do it! so that you never switch into DoL, you can mine ore as being Gladiator. (like any other RPG), but you can separate mining rank inside character.

Plan B = If they can't make it into sub class due to limitation of armory system, then at least let it use some battle class ability.

[Chardrizard]

BUT I WANNA POKE ENEMY WITH MY FRYING PAN.

[Airget]

A won't work cause DoL/H are just that, they are full classes with their own story and unique aspects to them. They are not fighters but gatherers/producers to assist DoW/M to allow it as a subclass would defeat the purpose of what they were designed for.

No to B either since it's just like the above, it's working as intended there aren't suppose to be fighters they are gatherers and crafters. The synergy between the classes is they are suppose to support one another but it's not fully fleshed out atm, By this I mean in the future I would like to see content in which DoL actually have to ask for assistance to fend off monsters while they gather in safety while this is slightly realized in Hamlet I'd like to see more of this content. Same goes for Crafters, perhaps they need DoW/M help in order to infiltrate an enemy fort to obtain rare recipes that are hidden within.

[Jinko]

A won't work cause DoL/H are just that, they are full classes with their own story and unique aspects to them. They are not fighters but gatherers/producers to assist DoW/M to allow it as a subclass would defeat the purpose of what they were designed for.

Not really as a profession they can work as a sub class and still work as designed which is to gather and craft, that fact won't change.

Granted its probably more effort than its worth for the dev team to change it at this point.

Interestingly if they were sub-classes/professions you would never have to change class to fix someone's armour or your own again, so I kind of like the idea XD, furthermore you could remove those pesky offhand tools, which could free up some inventory space.