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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    SGE is hot garbage lmao
    In SGE, I can easily pull in a dungeon and stay in the mood. Or turn a dps into a tank, while the tank is off eating plants by the roots. Or manage a tank buster because the tank is dead as SGE. I don't know what more you need to overcome your deni, Boy.
    And then in general, the people in denial are family on the net hence your 5 likes.

    And considering your account, you haven't played enough to say it's bad, you shouldn't rely on "they say" to troll, from your level 50.
    https://fr.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/29075551/

    In general, the disgruntled minority is rather talkative. If I follow what this forum says. Everything seems to say that Endwalker is bad and failed.

    But the numbers show that it's the best extension. And it's probably for me, the best expansion of FFXIV and even better than Shadowbringer which I already found above all.

    You have to be able to accept that many people don't think like you.

    On that note, Happy New Year.
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    Last edited by Naoki34; 12-18-2022 at 12:05 PM.

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    all they said was 5 words and you felt the need to go look for their lodestone (and fail to realise what an alt is at that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki34 View Post
    In SGE, I can easily pull in a dungeon and stay in the mood. Or turn a dps into a tank, while the tank is off eating plants by the roots. Or manage a tank buster because the tank is dead as SGE. I don't know what more you need to overcome your deni, Boy.
    And then in general, the people in denial are family on the net hence your 5 likes.

    And considering your account, you haven't played enough to say it's bad, you shouldn't rely on "they say" to troll, from your level 50.
    https://fr.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/29075551/

    In general, the disgruntled minority is rather talkative. If I follow what this forum says. Everything seems to say that Endwalker is bad and failed.

    But the numbers show that it's the best extension. And it's probably for me, the best expansion of FFXIV and even better than Shadowbringer which I already found above all.

    You have to be able to accept that many people don't think like you.

    On that note, Happy New Year.
    As someone who did all of tier 1 savage as SGE, I too feel it is sadly hot garbage. It steals half its kit from SCH, fails to address the gaping hole in healer gameplay anymore than any other healer does, and while it does hold water balance wise in its considerable amount of mitigation, it largely feels outclassed by SCH who can provide almost as much mitigation, better offensive support thanks to Chain Stratagem outweighing the value of SGE's selfish DPS, and has utility in the form of expedient, something SGE has nothing to contest with. If SGE's damage were that much higher, like how BLM is to other casters, it would feel more balanced, but since SCH ultimately offers more damage and more utility, even though it's not a 1-to-1 comparison, it feels superior. That said, just play SCH/SGE. It's an amazing comp.

    Beyond balance though, fix healer gameplay to stop being donkey feces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki34 View Post
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    Thank you for being the type of easily offended weirdo that validates why I use an alt I made back in early 2020 as my forum's avatar. I'm sorry I denied you whatever weird satisfaction you tried to get at winning an argument you weren't equipped for by using someone's lodestone to prove something, but...



    Here, just for you. But if we're going so far to address people's lodestone data, I noticed you don't have either P4S or P8S mounts or any Abyssos gear... so "considering your account, you haven't played enough to say it's perfect, you shouldn't rely on "they say" to troll" no?
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    That was awful of me, excuse me.

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    Sage is literally Scholar with less clunk. Scholar is still better, playing it is just dealing with all the jank of the job.

    Thankfully all healers are viable, not that that means much with the current state of healers in general...
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    I love kicking an anthill.
    Or to throw a paving stone in the pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki34 View Post
    I love kicking an anthill.
    Or to throw a paving stone in the pond.
    Have you considered the idea that you're just wrong?

    Yes, SGE feels very smooth in dungeons - but no one feelycrafts their way to early Savage/Ultimate prog and clears.

    When push comes to shove SGE lacks a lot of what SCH excells at while bringing nothing much unique to the table. SCH contributes to the 2min burst more than SGE ever could, can out-mitigate SGE and has more flexibility in terms of burst on demand. SCH is just a better SGE, but the trade off is the clunky parts of the (still superior) kit.

    Also, before you go trying to stalk a lodestone page - yes, alts exist.
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    Even in dungoeons, its healing is smooth, but is also painfully boring. Most bosses require maybe 1 or 2 OGCD heals across the entire fights. It’s just a Dosis party.

    During pulls , it is possible to get a spark of enjoying doing everything you can generating Addersting between pulls and dumping Toxikon and Pneuma, but that moment is over before you realize it’s even there, and it feels like you have to pull teeth to get even that. You have to bend over backwards to experience 5 seconds of fun, and then it’s back to Dyskrasia disco.
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    Sage much like RPR are unique to FF14 not borrowing from jobs of the past like most jobs and even if this is the case (let me emphasize this)

    Past final fantasy iterations should have zero sway over current job design the game has its mold and should only borrow the names not the function. Hurray MCH and SMN play like 1/4 of a party member from FF3 or FF6 but are also shallow as hell
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    “Theirs really not much you can change with the MCH”
    -Live letter 66, 9/17/21

    Where is the ambition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    Even in dungoeons, its healing is smooth, but is also painfully boring. Most bosses require maybe 1 or 2 OGCD heals across the entire fights. It’s just a Dosis party.

    During pulls , it is possible to get a spark of enjoying doing everything you can generating Addersting between pulls and dumping Toxikon and Pneuma, but that moment is over before you realize it’s even there, and it feels like you have to pull teeth to get even that. You have to bend over backwards to experience 5 seconds of fun, and then it’s back to Dyskrasia disco.
    That's healers in general in dungeons, unfortunately. Anyone using dungeon content in 14 as any kind of standard for how healers play is either woefully misinformed or very disingenuous. Dungeons are the easiest content in the game, and healers are barely needed (they AREN'T needed in experts).
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