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  1. #61
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    Raven2014's Avatar
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    Ribald Hagane
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    Spot on... 1milion per month for a large plot 750k for a medium and 250k for a small one per month counting as tax fees, as for those that own and run within the limit it is no biggie, but if having a full ward... then it is suddenly quite the millions needed in upkeep per month.
    No, just ... no.

    These people already have so much money that even if you triple the suggested amount it wouldn't put a dent on their wallet. Also you probably doesn't own a house and dont know, but once fully set up (can take about a month) the house itself will make more than 1mil per "week". Your suggestion is a great way if the goal is to make sure no casual players will even be able to afford it, giving the rich players even more exclusive access.

    This is like when someone think a casual policy targeting the rich will solve the problem. But reality is the rich will have enough resource to shrug it off or even get around it altogether, so it's the poorer people that the policy supposed to protect is the one getting hammed.
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  2. #62
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    Solarra's Avatar
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    Sylbritt Muscadet
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    Cerberus
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    Archer Lv 89
    Rent? that gets a hard 'No' from me.
    If it was gil it would encourage RMT, it won't affect rich players and anyone with multiple FCs on their account will be generating enough gil from their workshops to cover it hundreds of times over.

    FC credits sounds better, but again botting dungeons would generate enough of these to keep multiple houses while small to medium size FCs would really struggle, especially if several people took a break at the same time.

    Housing is the one system in this game that frustrates me. It's never worked 'as intended' with happy, bustling neighbourhoods. The ward system puts severe limits on outdoor items, most FCs want larger houses but they're very few in number and access to a workshop is gated behind house ownership, locking many FCs out of the content.
    I supported the timer when it was proposed and I came to regret it. Let's not propose yet another band-aid that's only going to cause more problems down the line.

    Housing is a system that is viable for all expansions and should provide fun for both private individuals and FCs, yet what we have is poorly planned and riddled with issues. I'd like the devs to stop slapping on band-aids, take a proper look at what players want from housing and give it a thorough overhaul, because it desperatey needs one.
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  3. #63
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    UkcsAlias's Avatar
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Ragnarok
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Solarra View Post
    and give it a thorough overhaul
    Step 1: make a seperate section in the eula that makes it clear that ward takeovers are NOT allowed.

    This way such behaviour can be punished. It wont affect grandfathered houses (unless that was a ward takeover, most grandfathered houses arent)

    Even if they then would still do one using 30 accounts, its 30 accounts that are paying. And if they are only paying for that house... i would say thats cheap income for SE. It will in this case be relatively easy to handle the accounts that have multiple FCs with multiple houses for this purpose. As in the end, detecting such abuse is plain easy when you can just check the number of houses players have. 8 shell FCs on 1 account with each a house is simply just a red flag, and on that can you can easily decide to remove all houses.

    The first step is to always make sure that whoever wants to exploit the system cant. Either by rules so you can punish afterward, or by simply not making it possible entirely (which can be very hard in the current system)
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  4. #64
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    Yodada's Avatar
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    Teaudix Suidoreux
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    Step 1: make a seperate section in the eula that makes it clear that ward takeovers are NOT allowed.

    This way such behaviour can be punished. It wont affect grandfathered houses (unless that was a ward takeover, most grandfathered houses arent)

    Even if they then would still do one using 30 accounts, its 30 accounts that are paying. And if they are only paying for that house... i would say thats cheap income for SE. It will in this case be relatively easy to handle the accounts that have multiple FCs with multiple houses for this purpose. As in the end, detecting such abuse is plain easy when you can just check the number of houses players have. 8 shell FCs on 1 account with each a house is simply just a red flag, and on that can you can easily decide to remove all houses.

    The first step is to always make sure that whoever wants to exploit the system cant. Either by rules so you can punish afterward, or by simply not making it possible entirely (which can be very hard in the current system)
    You should re-read the "how to aquire land in FFXIV" help page from Square themselves. Would be enlightening for you
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  5. #65
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    MultihouseHoarder's Avatar
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    Chance Random
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    Raiden
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    Archer Lv 25
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    This looks like something that came out of the initial opening of Ishgard housing. FCs haven't been able to purchase plots beyond ward 9 for months now.

    baited.
    You do realize the FC/Personal split was different for EU servers than it was for NA.
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  6. #66
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by MultihouseHoarder View Post
    You do realize the FC/Personal split was different for EU servers than it was for NA.
    What does that have to do with anything? I've seen this image before and it could be from either region.
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  7. #67
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    LaylaTsarra's Avatar
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    Halicarnassus
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MultihouseHoarder View Post
    You do realize the FC/Personal split was different for EU servers than it was for NA.
    I don't believe that's the case. I'm on multiple servers and Data Centers and they were all the same from what I could see. You care to be more specific?
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  8. #68
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    What's this? The ultra rich buying up all the houses so the average person can't in order to jack up their value in the future? This game's housing truly is realistic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

  9. #69
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    Niobe Elakha
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    Shiva
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    What does that have to do with anything? I've seen this image before and it could be from either region.
    Took about 5 sec to find out that these shell fcs have been created at 03.08.2022 and 04.08.2022 so this did not came out of the initial opening of Ishgard housing.
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  10. #70
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    What's this? The ultra rich buying up all the houses so the average person can't in order to jack up their value in the future? This game's housing truly is realistic!
    Except the ultra-rich are now backed into a corner being limited to FC transactions. Not everyone is going that route and SE may always choose to start watching FC changes faster if they feel they can't keep up with the ward additions.
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