SE need to stop this!

[SassyAssassin]

I don’t see how implementing a monthly fee for owning a house is going to fix this issue unfortunately. It will only affect casual players, the people that can afford to purchase entire wards won’t have a gil problem due to boting, it won’t stop them whatsoever.

[DeNada]

I don’t see how implementing a monthly fee for owning a house is going to fix this issue unfortunately. It will only affect casual players, the people that can afford to purchase entire wards won’t have a gil problem due to boting, it won’t stop them whatsoever.

Yeah, which is why there's suggestions to only tax hoarders who own more than 1 personal and 1 FC house per world per account.

In that case, the casual players will not be taxed and unaffected while hoarder behavior will be disincentived if they are heavily taxed (Perhaps 50% of house value per month since if it's too low, it's not much of a deterrent) on any houses above the limit.

And in addition, if submersible loot is nerfed in such a way that it is not sufficient to cover the housing tax, that would even further discourage players to engage in hoarding behaviour.

[LianaThorne]

Yeah, which is why there's suggestions to only tax hoarders who own more than 1 personal and 1 FC house per world per account.

In that case, the casual players will not be taxed and unaffected while hoarder behavior will be disincentived if they are heavily taxed (Perhaps 50% of house value per month since if it's too low, it's not much of a deterrent) on any houses above the limit.

And in addition, if submersible loot is nerfed in such a way that it is not sufficient to cover the housing tax, that would even further discourage players to engage in hoarding behaviour.

It's really not hard to make hundreds of millions in a month via marketboard flipping so thinking a tax would stop that is a nice dream but a dream none the less.

[LaylaTsarra]

It's really not hard to make hundreds of millions in a month via marketboard flipping so thinking a tax would stop that is a nice dream but a dream none the less.

They will never cease to stop with trying to penalize people who own homes and take them away from them. Those buying entire wards shouldn't be the reason for penalizing the normal people who buy just one or a FC and a Private. SE needs to fix the problem but the problem shouldn't be addressed by penalizing everyone for the transgressions of a few.

Those buying up entire wards are probably making a ton of money with them and sure won't be hurt much by any tax on housing. RMT would love a tax I suspect as they watch their profits grow.

[LianaThorne]

They will never cease to stop with trying to penalize people who own homes and take them away from them. Those buying entire wards shouldn't be the reason for penalizing the normal people who buy just one or a FC and a Private. SE needs to fix the problem but the problem shouldn't be addressed by penalizing everyone for the transgressions of a few.

Those buying up entire wards are probably making a ton of money with them and sure won't be hurt much by any tax on housing. RMT would love a tax I suspect as they watch their profits grow.

The question then comes in, if they choose to fix it then who gets affected by it? Does everyone who own multiple plots? Only those who weren't grandfathered in? (Which will probably cause some issues with those who weren't and feeling like it's unfair). Either way, a tax won't stop anything with how actually braindead it is to make gil with an hour of your day.

Personally I look at someone buying an entire ward as someone taking up plots that no one is actively trying to buy so it's not like they're ripping plots out of peoples hands that are trying to bid on them. Game just has a lot of emptier servers that people don't want to move to and those that did are capitalizing on it. Like I said already, the plots are there sitting unwanted and unbid on. If people are so upset about others buying multiple then move there yourself and buy one. It's literally free transfer to any new server and there are probably tens of thousands sitting across all of the new DCs and servers we've gotten over the past year.

Punishing the majority for those that are doing that is a choice (and usually stems from jealousy from not bring able to get a house on their current server and a refusal to move to get one (even with cross-DC now being a thing to keep in contact with friends and do content) which is entirely a "them" problem)).

[LaylaTsarra]

The question then comes in, if they choose to fix it then who gets affected by it? Does everyone who own multiple plots? Only those who weren't grandfathered in?

Grandfathering only applies to private homes. The rules changed back in 4.2 and people can't buy more than one private on a server although that is certainly allowed elsewhere and didn't change with the new rules. They had the option to restrict housing to one private per account but they didn't. They continue to allow purchases on different DC's and servers and that's on SE not the people following the rules who elect to do that.

The problem has been Free Company homes and they made an attempt to try and stop/limit this with the 30 day hold on new FC's as well as the transfer of leadership but ultimately the problem arises where people can still buy multiple FC houses is the time given for FC purchases in FC wards is way too long so they can still by pass the rules or intent of one FC per server because these wards stay FC for so long.

FC wards on Dynamis are sitting open now with only Large and Mediums going up for grabs in the first round for the most part with so many homes just sitting and that will continue to sit for quite some time allowing ward buyers time to spin their magic.

The length of time and the split of FC/Private have been way out of balance. I have no problem with FC's getting 1st shot at homes but those wards should stay FC for the first month or 2 or 3 after sales open and then private sales should commence. These ward owners are only able to do what they do because they have so much time to do it. Certainly if they own multiple subscriptions well they are paying for access with different accounts and there isn't much that can be done in that regard I'm afraid. SE will certainly take the added subs.

The current ward splits and the lack of demand for FC's with housing sitting open for so long has also encouraged the creating of personal FC's which is simply a reaction by some to the way FC sales are set up and are essentially buying private FC's.

[LianaThorne]

Grandfathering only applies to private homes. The rules changed back in 4.2 and people can't buy more than one private on a server although that is certainly allowed elsewhere and didn't change with the new rules. They had the option to restrict housing to one private per account but they didn't. They continue to allow purchases on different DC's and servers and that's on SE not the people following the rules who elect to so that.

The problem has been Free Company homes and they made an attempt to try and stop/limit this with the 30 day hold on new FC's as well as the transfer of leadership but ultimately the problem arises where people can still buy multiple FC houses is the time given for FC purchases in FC wards is way too long so they can still by pass the rules or intent of one FC per server because these wards stay FC for so long.

FC wards on Dynamis are sitting open now with only Large and Mediums going up for grabs in the first round with so many homes just sitting and that will continue to sit for quite some time.

In addition the length of time and the split of FC/Private have been way out of balance. I have no problem with FC's getting 1st shot at homes but those wards should stay FC for the first month or 2 or 3 after sales open and then private sales should commence. These ward owners are only able to do what they do because they have so much time to do it. Certainly if they own multiple subscriptions well they are paying for access with different accounts and there isn't much that can be done in that regard I'm afraid. SE will certainly take the added subs.

The current ward splits and the lack of demand for FC's with housing sitting open for so long has also encouraged the creating of personal FC's which is simply a reaction by some to the way FC sales are set up.

I agree that there should be more private homes (especially on the packed servers) but if there isn't population to fill it, then the same will just happen with those that already make alt accounts entirely to buy additional private homes (which is already happening since Square basically funds your first month and a half of sub for free + with demo off you dont need to actively maintain the sub.....paying for the base game really isnt that expensive for those that have disposable income). If there aren't enough actual unique users, I don't see it changing even with swapping more to private. There will always be loopholes unless they just trash wards entirely and switch to an instanced set up where players can buy as many as they want.