SE need to stop this!

[SassyAssassin]

I don’t see how implementing a monthly fee for owning a house is going to fix this issue unfortunately. It will only affect casual players, the people that can afford to purchase entire wards won’t have a gil problem due to boting, it won’t stop them whatsoever.

[DeNada]

I don’t see how implementing a monthly fee for owning a house is going to fix this issue unfortunately. It will only affect casual players, the people that can afford to purchase entire wards won’t have a gil problem due to boting, it won’t stop them whatsoever.

Yeah, which is why there's suggestions to only tax hoarders who own more than 1 personal and 1 FC house per world per account.

In that case, the casual players will not be taxed and unaffected while hoarder behavior will be disincentived if they are heavily taxed (Perhaps 50% of house value per month since if it's too low, it's not much of a deterrent) on any houses above the limit.

And in addition, if submersible loot is nerfed in such a way that it is not sufficient to cover the housing tax, that would even further discourage players to engage in hoarding behaviour.

[LianaThorne]

Yeah, which is why there's suggestions to only tax hoarders who own more than 1 personal and 1 FC house per world per account.

In that case, the casual players will not be taxed and unaffected while hoarder behavior will be disincentived if they are heavily taxed (Perhaps 50% of house value per month since if it's too low, it's not much of a deterrent) on any houses above the limit.

And in addition, if submersible loot is nerfed in such a way that it is not sufficient to cover the housing tax, that would even further discourage players to engage in hoarding behaviour.

It's really not hard to make hundreds of millions in a month via marketboard flipping so thinking a tax would stop that is a nice dream but a dream none the less.

[LaylaTsarra]

It's really not hard to make hundreds of millions in a month via marketboard flipping so thinking a tax would stop that is a nice dream but a dream none the less.

They will never cease to stop with trying to penalize people who own homes and take them away from them. Those buying entire wards shouldn't be the reason for penalizing the normal people who buy just one or a FC and a Private. SE needs to fix the problem but the problem shouldn't be addressed by penalizing everyone for the transgressions of a few.

Those buying up entire wards are probably making a ton of money with them and sure won't be hurt much by any tax on housing. RMT would love a tax I suspect as they watch their profits grow.

[LianaThorne]

They will never cease to stop with trying to penalize people who own homes and take them away from them. Those buying entire wards shouldn't be the reason for penalizing the normal people who buy just one or a FC and a Private. SE needs to fix the problem but the problem shouldn't be addressed by penalizing everyone for the transgressions of a few.

Those buying up entire wards are probably making a ton of money with them and sure won't be hurt much by any tax on housing. RMT would love a tax I suspect as they watch their profits grow.

The question then comes in, if they choose to fix it then who gets affected by it? Does everyone who own multiple plots? Only those who weren't grandfathered in? (Which will probably cause some issues with those who weren't and feeling like it's unfair). Either way, a tax won't stop anything with how actually braindead it is to make gil with an hour of your day.

Personally I look at someone buying an entire ward as someone taking up plots that no one is actively trying to buy so it's not like they're ripping plots out of peoples hands that are trying to bid on them. Game just has a lot of emptier servers that people don't want to move to and those that did are capitalizing on it. Like I said already, the plots are there sitting unwanted and unbid on. If people are so upset about others buying multiple then move there yourself and buy one. It's literally free transfer to any new server and there are probably tens of thousands sitting across all of the new DCs and servers we've gotten over the past year.

Punishing the majority for those that are doing that is a choice (and usually stems from jealousy from not bring able to get a house on their current server and a refusal to move to get one (even with cross-DC now being a thing to keep in contact with friends and do content) which is entirely a "them" problem)).

[R041]

Move Gardening and the Workshop out of Housing already, stop making a FOMO feature a money maker for exploitation. If they really want to keep the FC Workshop that badly then put it in a GC instance or something, but keep the cost of creating a Workshop.

I bet they think they're doing a good job by putting these systems behind housing so people can't spam create a bunch of FCs to use a Workshop by limiting housing - Not even thinking about how it affects the actual playerbase. Everything they do, the actual player experience has always been a lower priority in their design philosophy.

The lack of both action and foresight from this team.. Always astounding.

[LianaThorne]

Probably going to have an unpopular opinion but personally I can't blame people for doing this if the wards are sitting empty for months on end. I noticed the OP is from Raiden so I looked at Paissa Housing and there are still 3k houses up for grabs and Raiden has been here for how many months now?

If people don't move/join the server and buy houses then others will take them up rather than let them sit there because there are literally thousands left (a.k.a no shortage on houses for the population of the server). The same will probably happen on Dynamis and any other new DCs/servers that pop in. The "finite commodity" argument only really works for servers where housing is extremely limited because there is too much population (like Balmung for example).

If the population isn't there and someone wants to grab an extra house thats been sitting unclaimed for months, cool. I don't really see a problem with that, nor do I think theyre robbing anyone of a house with how many there are available. Anyone else who really wanted a house could do the exact same.

[NekoMataMata]

Probably going to have an unpopular opinion but personally I can't blame people for doing this if the wards are sitting empty for months on end. I noticed the OP is from Raiden so I looked at Paissa Housing and there are still 3k houses up for grabs and Raiden has been here for how many months now?

If people don't move/join the server and buy houses then others will take them up rather than let them sit there because there are literally thousands left (a.k.a no shortage on houses for the population of the server). The same will probably happen on Dynamis and any other new DCs/servers that pop in. The "finite commodity" argument only really works for servers where housing is extremely limited because there is too much population (like Balmung for example).

If the population isn't there and someone wants to grab an extra house thats been sitting unclaimed for months, cool. I don't really see a problem with that, nor do I think theyre robbing anyone of a house with how many there are available. Anyone else who really wanted a house could do the exact same.

You say that but when when the next expansion releases and there's a new population boom, suddenly housing becomes a problem again.

If we're going to lay out any rules here, let's at least be consistent about them.

[LianaThorne]

You say that but when when the next expansion releases and there's a new population boom, suddenly housing becomes a problem again.

If we're going to lay out any rules here, let's at least be consistent about them.

There are still 4 more servers incoming on the NA side of things which will bring in another load of houses on top of the ward expansions coming soon across all servers. Aren't JP and EU supposed to get new servers too? (My memory is a bit rusty on where we are exactly with the full server expansions they had planned.)

My view still stands though on if people don't want to move to where houses are readily available and want to punish those that did move and are taking plots that are sitting abandoned (especially in the case of Materia), that's a them problem.

Can wait, continue to be mad and post threads like this and hope for a change or do something that's actually possible now and go get a house on a server where there aren't enough people to buy them. If loyalty to an FC or being afraid to be far from friends is holding you back (especially if cross-DC is a thing in your region) consider how much you actually need/want a house.

As far as things stand now, they did what they could to prevent it and even with more restrictions put in place (# of active members, taxes, etc.) they can still easily be circumvented. Instanced housing would be the only legitimate solution but it's pretty obvious by now that they don't have an interest in pushing that out to people aside from Island Sanctuary.

[Yodada]

There are still 4 more servers incoming on the NA side of things which will bring in another load of houses on top of the ward expansions coming soon across all servers. Aren't JP and EU supposed to get new servers too? (My memory is a bit rusty on where we are exactly with the full server expansions they had planned.)

My view still stands though on if people don't want to move to where houses are readily available and want to punish those that did move and are taking plots that are sitting abandoned (especially in the case of Materia), that's a them problem.

Can wait, continue to be mad and post threads like this and hope for a change or do something that's actually possible now and go get a house on a server where there aren't enough people to buy them. If loyalty to an FC or being afraid to be far from friends is holding you back (especially if cross-DC is a thing in your region) consider how much you actually need/want a house.

Its planned for EU to add a whole new DC. If they are going the same route with 8 worlds on it we're looking into at least 72.000 new houses (incl. the 6 new wards with 6.3 / excl. any potential new districts) from 2023 onwards. Even if the supply will be met some day we will see the usual complains didnt got a Med or Large, didnt got the district i wanted blah blah blah.