Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Magikazam]

They already do.

Anything that aint blue quest give terrible reward. no one care about 4k gils and 1/230 of an xp bar worth of xp. Same thing for world content.

Why?

See above.

You already have them up to level 60.

Bad faith agains? how about we get some ABOVE level 60.

How?

Give them a big CD or make it cost more mana, so Rez is a healer thing, but you still get some backup so you ain't done if both healer die.

Asking to delete all jobs and start over in an established MMO isnt a limitation, its utterly absurd.

Hence why he said ''This is regardless of technical or logistical limitations''

[VelKallor]

Anything that aint blue quest give terrible reward. no one care about 4k gils and 1/230 of an xp bar worth of xp. Same thing for world content.

Absolute RUBBISH. Gear, dyes, minions, tokens, gil, jewellery, emotes, dances, other rewards....you really havent done much that you are criticising, have you?

Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFSFQSMWeZ4

Bad faith agains? how about we get some ABOVE level 60.

You really have an issue with people disagreeing with you. The combat leves were inefficient, didnt give enough xp , werent used much, the BULK of levequests were used for DoH and DoL. Massive exp for craft and gather hand ins.

Give them a big CD or make it cost more mana, so Rez is a healer thing, but you still get some backup so you ain't done if both healer die.

Not a good enough reason other than "rez is a healer thing", SMN has a rez too, remember? Resurrection? Going to take THAT away too? RDM is a SUPPORT CLASS and was designed that way..why are you trying to cripple its utility? Rezzing is NOT healer specific and should never be so....then again I gather you dont know much on game design.

You said It's made content trivial.....how? More details please? Facts? Proof? Trivial in what way?

Hence why he said ''This is regardless of technical or logistical limitations''

More along the lines of "I wanted a pony when I was five"

Remove 3.0 and 4.0, give them individual quest series' that won't impede on the Hydaelyn Arc.

You want to remove ALL 3.0 and 4.0 content? Then rewrite it? Who is going to do this massive task? You? Why?

For what reason? What would it achieve?

What makes you think that anyone besides you wants anything like this?

What makes you think anyone would welcome this or be happy with it?

What is in these patches now that should not be there?

3.0 IS all of Heavensward , this is a huge undertaking, based on what justification?

4.0 is all of Stormblood..you want to remove it ALL and..what was it you said? Individual quest series? Are you even vaguely aware of the SIZE of this massive change?..you have GOT to be joking.

Whats your reasoning for this?

THIS is whats in 3.0 ALONE...

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...98c204c6199e5a

This is 4.0..all of it.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...e7c51abfa95055

No, I dont think so...

[Axxion]

Nope, buddy. That's an opinion. Personally? I love the way PLD, SCH, and RDM play right now. And I only really stick with 3 consistently because that's what I have the time to play. I level up other classes such as BRD and DRG just to have one of each "role" type, but I pick one tank, one healer, and one DPS that I really enjoy to be my "main" classes.

And the moment you go into making claims like "you must be a new player," you lose the argument. Making claims like that is the only "dishonest" thing happening here. Stop trying to masquerade opinions as if they're facts, and then fabricate things about people who point out where you're wrong.

Sincerely,

(Someone who's been playing since 2015)

Just to pick on that even though you and other like how pld play right now. Why does it need a rework?

[Iscah]

[*] Split MSQ up. Remove 3.0 and 4.0, give them individual quest series' that won't impede on the Hydaelyn Arc.

I don't think that's possible. The amount of story retooling in large and small ways would be intense.

It's not just about the immediate events there, but their impact on things like ongoing world politics, the state of the dragons who are now your allies, so many different character relationships. There would be hundreds of consequences for the later parts of the story.

Heavensward is absolutely part of the "Hydaelyn arc" and while I do think Stormblood feels like an awkward detour from it, it did happen and now further parts of the story rely on it.

[Jojoya]

What makes you think that anyone besides you wants anything like this?

What makes you think no one else would agree with him?

In a game with hundreds of thousands of players, it would be pretty unlikely for his opinion to be unique and singular.

While I wouldn't remove 3.0 from the MSQ because there is a fair amount of Ascian involvement not to mention the resolution to what happened to one of the Scions following the Bloody Banquet, I'd be more than happy to relegate 4.0 to side quests.

Other than introducing Zenos, it did little to advance the main story and what actually happens with Zenos in 4.0 is pretty irrelevant to future events. We could have been introduced to Zenos as Gaius and Estinien burst in on him killing Varis and it would have made little difference to the later story.

So yeah, turning 4.0-4.3 into side quests would be possible. Those events could be presented as echo flashbacks of things that occurred while the WoL was finally getting to take a nice long vacation for a change (or perhaps not so long since all of 2.0 to end of 6.0 was supposed to have happened in a single year).

I'm not saying it should be done, just that it could and I doubt many would feel that anything important to the MSQ was lost. New players at the least would have about 60 fewer hours of MSQ to sit through without actually losing access to that content if they choose to experience it..

[Magikazam]

Absolute RUBBISH. Gear, dyes, minions, tokens, gil, jewellery, emotes, dances, other rewards....you really havent done much that you are criticising, have you?

And yes, I forgot I was talking to a prenium member of the FXIV cult. Clearly the 50 ish quest that give actual rewards excuse the 950 that don't give anything relevant what so ever. Again, the VAST majority of yellow quest give crap reward and the one that acctualy give good one are the exception.

You really have an issue with people disagreeing with you. The combat leves were inefficient, didnt give enough xp , werent used much

That Funny cause we talked about increasing xp reward for content like this. But apparently you can't read. Oh yea also farming combat leves was the second best way to level your class back in ARR, next to joining FATE train. That what I did to level my side jobs when no train where up back then.

SMN has a rez too, remember? Resurrection? Going to take THAT away too? RDM is a SUPPORT CLASS

I assumed you were smart enought to realise we also we're talkign about SMN Rez. Last time I check RDM is a magical DPS and the ''Support'' role of FFXIV is Ranged Phys dps. DPS having rez make content more easy cause that mana and swifcast a Healer wont have to spend and a manaless healer is either a wipe, or it soon will be time to spend a healer LB3. Having more rez just mean you can do more failure overall. I don't advocate for Rez removal, but at the same time im well aware of it effect on the game.

4.0 is all of Stormblood..you want to remove it ALL and..what was it you said? Individual quest series? Are you even vaguely aware of the SIZE of this massive change?..you have GOT to be joking.

This is regardless of technical or logistical limitations. It like the third time it pointed to you, make an effort. He basicly say ''In my ideal world'' going out at him and saying ''BUT THIS IS IMPOSIBLE!!!!'' just show the bad faith aura im talking about.

[strawberrycake]

Your first paragraph make it sound like you understand the problem, then you add that last paragraph and it turned out you don't.
- If there is a person not acting in good faith here, it is you.
- If there are people who should get annoyed here, that person is not you.

YOu assume a lot based on my stance, which people do often. I have no issues with people wanting to be casual. You're not here in good faith because why does a casual player and a hardcore player have to choose between more replayable content and issues within your own game being fixed that should have been ages ago, such as ilvl cheese or bot issues becomign rampant. What does a game more geared towards more causal play have to do with fixing them spending millions of dollars on content people don't actively revisit only to then spend millions of dollars remaking said content?

THAT literally has nothing to do with them doing many of the same things so many people here have given wow shit for. My want is for them to go back to things that worked, rather then becoming more conservative.

Also more examples on how they can meld older content into the concurrent game :

Take the fate systems from Bozja and Eureka and merge it into the current open world and encourage more player interaction along side giving players the option to do the MSQ and lvling solo.

Making some mandatory content a Solo instance since its already done due to ilvl cheese thus fixing a problem that most people from NA to JP complains about

Making healing more engaging and reintroducing things healers have been asking for since the beginning of Shadow bringers. Again a problem from NA EU and JP healers.

So once again, what does this game being more cual have to do with them just refusing to make it better?

A lot of this, could also be helped by them being less vague and being straight up about whats possible for them atm and whats not, because the vague PR speak is played out and has also been a massive isssue for many game companies. And no one can use the usual *they're a JP company* Well, they're running a world wide MMO service and has been in the international spotlight for gaming for over several decades. They can do better

[strawberrycake]

The trouble with that is they already have their hands full making new armor for so many other pieces of content. They don't have the time to double back for stuff like this. (Adding weapons for new jobs is the exception.) It's also very redundant. They gave us lots of asian themes in stormblood and we have tactics ogre themed gear. They recently a screenshot contest for it.

Just because other MMOs do something doesn't mean it will actually do anything here (and without any kind of example, I'm just going to dismiss this and move on.) People mainly run DD for the experience of that style of content.

I also feel like adding more rewards to previous content like that is a bad move because people will feel forced into running it again. It's one thing when it's an option for relic progression, but it's another when you think you were done running a duty like that many times over for all the original rewards. I'm slowly building up enough to get all the accessories I want from these two spots. I don't want to be forced to do more after that's all done.

You realize they do that already and I'm saying do the opposite and make shit thats there to do whenever that has no expiration date. I am literally saying add the opposite of FOMO.

How would you be forced to do content and get rewards completely optional, if they're completely optional? DO you feel forced to play PvP for the cosmetics there?

[VelKallor]

And yes, I forgot I was talking to a prenium member of the FXIV cult.

I am a member of no cult ( good grief ), I happen to just be someone who has explored and found a lot of sidequests that gave rewards other than gil or exp. Im sorry if you havent done the same......maybe you should.

Clearly the 50 ish quest that give actual rewards excuse the 950 that don't give anything relevant what so ever.

Its a more than 50, trust me. A HELL OF A LOT more. Did you know that two in Ishgard alone hand out Thavnarian onions? No? Now you do.

Again, the VAST majority of yellow quest give crap reward and the one that acctualy give good one are the exception.

With all due respect, you need to spend much more time in the world...you will find Im right.

I don't advocate for Rez removal, but at the same time im well aware of it effect on the game

..which is...?

Look, Im going to abandon this, clearly you havent spent nearly enough time outside, so do yourself a favour and go look through all the zones, do some of these and you may be very surprised..that "cult" sneer was hilarious, btw, seeing as you havent looked at that that "world content" you keep talking about..and I have.

[Magikazam]

Just to pick on that even though you and other like how pld play right now. Why does it need a rework?

ShB and Mostly EW made class rotation focused around having downtime where you gain ressources that you will spend at the same time as the rest of the raid on the 1-2 minute CD. While paladin got some aspect of that (the magic phase being on a 1 min cd) It mostly about doing constant strong flow of damage rather than going all at on a burst mode. Hence it kinda fit weirdly in the ''Meta''. A class work differently so they gonna make it more like the other cause god forbid we have some diversity other than how we spend or metters and stickers on mobs