Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Raven2014]

The numbers don't exist.

Neither WoW nor FFXIV release official population statistics, and the most accurate unofficial FF14 statistics indicate 14 hasn't even achieved

The catch is WoW used to boast about it left and right, until they decided not anymore. Hum, I wonder why?

Remember I said I used to have 8 characters in WoW? My server was one of the one that got the axe when the sub situation got so bad and they had to consolidate. I wasn't there when during the period they did it, so imagine my surprise when I came back and found they scatter my 8 chars across like 4 different servers, some even had their name changed to weird bots name.

Remember I said I'm a founder player in TOR? I actually had the honor (horror) of seeing a server dying in real time as Bioware and EA refused the server merge until it was too late as the game enter steep decline. I sitll remember it, a Sunday morning, I logged in, and see myself as the only person on The Hub, that when I decided to leave Tor for the first time.

My dude, I don't need the dev to give me their number to know the population was declining. And even if you don't believe me as the person in those story, you know what I said is still a fact.

1/5th of WoW's peak subscriber count.

Guess what ... I was a WoW players at those times ... why I'm not a WoW players now. Want to guess?

And since those "peak" time, WoW have consistently bleed player until it's bad enough they decided to stop release sub data. While at the same time FF14 has been consistently expanding in the same time period. Again, don't need any official data, I can tell how many players there are now in the game based on economy, queue time, PF activities .etc.

And yet here I keep seeing people advocate the game that has been gaining players should try to "improve" the way all those games that have been contracting. Like ... yo, make it make sense.

[LittleImp]

My dude, I don't need the dev to give me their number to know the population was declining. And even if you don't believe me as the person in those story, you know what I said is still a fact.

Ok, so the "numbers" that "don't lie" are actually your feelings.

Interesting!

[Raven2014]

Ok, so the "numbers" that "don't lie" are actually your feelings.

Interesting!

the number of server don't lie. The number of players I interact with don't lie. The number of players active per day don't lie.

But I see now you're just being facetious.

Just gonna say, if you run out of argument, there is much more graceful way to stop, simply stop responding would be one of them. I do that sometime too, and you can consider that my cue to stop responding to you. Maybe the reason I come across as heated to you simply because I do take discussion and debate serious, and never try to be facetious about it.