The Final Day needs to be ilevel synched

[Dicion]

Title.

Ilvl of the average players in Duty Finder Trials these days is too high for this fight now. The Trial completes too fast, sometimes even before the Story Voiceovers in the second phase complete. The second phase is being entered with <15% health on the boss.

This is not enjoyable for new players doing it for the first time who enjoy the story. That fight was great and epic and a wonderful cap to the story when it released. Now it's so fast that you don't even get to hear the VO Lines or the best parts of the music in the second phase.

Sync it down to like 570-580. Min ilvl is 540, so thats more than enough headroom.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Welcome to every final story trial ever.

[Jeeqbit]

I agree and I could see this was going to be a problem the first time I did it actually.

But I agree that there should be item level syncs on everything. There just isn't and it makes old content less fun.

Even if the item level syncs don't happen until the expansion is over to preserve gear progression, once the expansion is over, gear progression isn't really a thing because everyone can just get the best tomestone gear with poetics.

[Johners]

Counter point but item level syncing on current expansion content sucks ass. No, I don't want to sync to 570 when running Dead Ends. Yes, trusts should just be used in all MSQ content for players that are really anal about catching every possible story moment. I've done this content enough times that I have the right to just burst through as fast as possible to get my tomestones, I really couldn't care otherwise (this is also why I item level cheese in alliance raids because I'll take a quick Crystal Tower over potentially spending an hour wiping in that one Nier raid).

[Nikoto]

(this is also why I item level cheese in alliance raids because I'll take a quick Crystal Tower over potentially spending an hour wiping in that one Nier raid).

Disgusting creature.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Same for Thordan, Shinryu, and Hades. And the first two of each set of alliance raids. And the first two tiers of each set of normal raids. It wouldn't be some miracle fix (Thordan in particular has always been a joke), but it would help give the fights some bite back.

[RyuDragnier]

Same for Thordan, Shinryu, and Hades. And the first two of each set of alliance raids. And the first two tiers of each set of normal raids. It wouldn't be some miracle fix (Thordan in particular has always been a joke), but it would help give the fights some bite back.

Do you want the nerf threads to come back? Remember when the bad players were screaming for Nidhogg to be nerfed? When they screamed for Shinryu to be nerfed? Emet-Selch remembers.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Do you want the nerf threads to come back? Remember when the bad players were screaming for Nidhogg to be nerfed? When they screamed for Shinryu to be nerfed? Emet-Selch remembers.

It's either the nerf threads or the un-nerf threads. We're gonna get one or the other, so I might as well side with the one that at least gives me more fun playing.

[Azuri]

Nah, it already always takes two attempts because some monkey forgets to LB.

[Amarande]

Do you want the nerf threads to come back? Remember when the bad players were screaming for Nidhogg to be nerfed? When they screamed for Shinryu to be nerfed? Emet-Selch remembers.

That is an oversimplification. If it was only the actual bad players, it would be one matter.

The trouble comes in when you realize that we're talking about roulette content, which means you have another class of players that's impacted: ones that are good enough to do the content on their own, but get exasperated anyway because they get paired with bad players too often in PUGs, and end up failing because of them. Even well above average players can be affected by this, depending on the particular content you're dumped into.

Remember that this isn't WoW where a relatively small number of hardcore players are usually enough to carry the whole rest of the group even if they barely know the first thing about video games. XIV is well known by this point for mechanics where most or all of the group have to be on the ball or it doesn't matter how good the best members are - the worst members assure you don't get the clear. In the past, that had been something that was mostly kept (outside of the "lost your tanks/healers" bugaboo) to Extreme Trials and Savage raids; the few exceptions (Lost City normal coming especially to mind) being almost universally dreaded instances to get in roulette.

At some point - especially starting around mid-late through Stormblood - this Battletoads-esque philosophy started to export itself to general DF content. (It might be harping some more, but it seems like this further validates how the culture shifts caused by Discord have been negatively impacting the less hardcore cohorts - Stormblood was around the time when the platform really began to take off to the point of standardization, and the sea change that occurred later on in that xpac is very manifest.) Now roulettes easily become miserable if you have a lot of content unlocked, to the point that even many good players dread getting the more difficult instances (it really not helping either that Trials and Normal Raids have several dozen different fights each if you've got everything unlocked, most of them years old, so even the better players have often forgotten the exact details of the less played ones).

Nerfing may lead to less satisfying fights, but at least it makes roulette far more bearable under these circumstances.