keeping pace with savage raid gearing.

[caffe_macchiato]

If anything, it has become more friendly to players (dropping slot coffers instead of "slot of fending").

If anything, from someone that has raided in MMOs for over 20 years, just because I haven't bothered with EW raiding doesn't mean my input has no value.

is this their first MMO?

Yep, and people are going to have to realize that FFXIV is an old-fashioned game built by one of the stalwart old-timers himself (Yoshida) for a similar audience.

Except, one small problem…many people who are playing games these days are under 20. They do not care about tradition like we do. They have no loyalty to our systems. This game might die in the next couple of years and be the last of its kind. Then your 20 years of experience will be useless just like my years on Neopets. Would it be worth it?

[dspguy]

Yep, and people are going to have to realize that FFXIV is an old-fashioned game built by one of the stalwart old-timers himself (Yoshida) for a similar audience.

Except, one small problem…many people who are playing games these days are under 20. They do not care about tradition like we do. They have no loyalty to our systems. This game might die in the next couple of years and be the last of its kind. Then your 20 years of experience will be useless just like my years on Neopets. Would it be worth it?

Games can't just cater to the old school, first-gen MMO players. I've had the opportunity to go back and play those earlier generation MMOs. Sadly, I just can't do it. I don't have the time. But I will say... I felt that the rewards "felt better" when they were rare, hard-to-obtain, not guaranteed, etc.

As far as FFXIV goes , there really aren't many pieces of gear I have that I'm attached to. It isn't like I'm going to break out the Raid Drop Cuirass of Fending and think about the good times I had with 7+ other players, the struggles we had and the adversity we overcame while obtaining them. And that's ok. It winds up just being GC seal trash in the end. In other games, I would be able to make that association with gear I obtained with dozens of other players in attendance.

Even with how today's "hardcore" is still tailored for yesteryear's casuals, I can't be that hardcore player anymore. I'm glad FFXIV is the way it is. But we can still pine for the "good ol' days" of MMO's past.

[Raven2014]

Yep, and people are going to have to realize that FFXIV is an old-fashioned game built by one of the stalwart old-timers himself (Yoshida) for a similar audience.

Except, one small problem…many people who are playing games these days are under 20. They do not care about tradition like we do. They have no loyalty to our systems. This game might die in the next couple of years and be the last of its kind. Then your 20 years of experience will be useless just like my years on Neopets. Would it be worth it?

I gotta ask, what with you and these kind of post that just seem trying to pitch "generations" against each others? In the other topic you seem to act like a young person trash talking the boomers, but here you're playing the part of someone old enough to remember the "old" day?

No disrespect, but ... you're coming across as someone who trying to pretend to know, without actually knowing that it looks like if you think FF14 is catering to the "old timers" in any shape or form.

The first generation of MMO actually weren't much different than the typical cash-grab super hardcore grinding Korean MMO. When WoW comes about, one of the reason it took the world by storm was because comparing to Everquest, Ultimate Online or Runescape, it was super-casual-friendly. It's far less punishing, far less grinding, and people love it for the fact reward come at faster pace. And guess what, the current iteration of FF14 is even more casual friendly than WoW at the time.

So saying FF14 is built for stalwart old-timers from 20 years ago is ... completely and utterly rubbish.